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re: Pep Guardiola: Premier League not any different from Bundesliga, La Liga
Posted on 10/16/16 at 10:16 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 10/16/16 at 10:16 pm to crazy4lsu
At some point in time, someone convinced people on this board that more parity meant more quality... and that fed right into the EPL-minded fan base.
It's the exact same thing with college football fans and conferences. You want the league your team is in to be better than it actually is. It makes your team's success matter more. You might not chant "S-E-C" about it, but there's a bias there.
I think a lot of people don't see that a dominant team like a Real or Barca or Bayern or Juve can raise the level of play of the entire league, even if it doesn't make too much of a dent in the final table.
It's the exact same thing with college football fans and conferences. You want the league your team is in to be better than it actually is. It makes your team's success matter more. You might not chant "S-E-C" about it, but there's a bias there.
I think a lot of people don't see that a dominant team like a Real or Barca or Bayern or Juve can raise the level of play of the entire league, even if it doesn't make too much of a dent in the final table.
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Posted on 10/16/16 at 10:34 pm to WarSlamEagle
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This post was edited on 10/16/25 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:03 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:
Well this is incorrect. You agreed that Romo held Dallas back, which literally anyone with any sports knowledge that isn't looking to stir to pot knows is false. I already know your sports IQ and it's more comparable to Mo Claiborne's wonderlic score.
Don't spread lies McRib.
Another poster made that statement. I did not agree with it and never said i agreed with it. You are making things up.
I merely said that the statement would rustle the Tony Romo fan boys. And I was right again, as you are clearly rustled about it to the point that you brought it to the soccer board and whined about it.
I recommend that you not let it continue to gnaw at you. Move on.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:35 am to McCaigBro69
quote:
I just don't personally believe that Bayern, Real or Barca would just run rampant and make a mockery out of the EPL.
It depends on the iteration of the team. A couple of those Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona, and Real teams were some of the best teams ever assembled. Bayern 2012 and Barcelona 2014 were amazing. Treble winners, amazing sides in general. So yes I think those specific teams could waltz in and do what they want in the league. I personally think a team like Atletico Madird under Simeone would tear up the EPL, as their style of play is sort of like the EPL's except for more brutal.
The EPL hasn't had a team close to that level in quite a while. Maybe the last team that could say that was 2009-10 Chelsea. The late Ferguson teams weren't very good, the Mancini Man City teams were defensively good but average going forward, Arsenal has been in general horrible, Tottenham has only just found an identity, and Chelsea have been a shell of those since the middle of their title winning season.
I think people are forgetting how good the cream of the crop is in other leagues. That Bayern team under Jupp would skullfrick any team.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 1:50 am to crazy4lsu
This thread is fricking hilarious
I saw it before going to bed but was like meh I don't have time for this.
But the pissing match b/w Hedno and people who basically only watch the EPL was expected.
I saw it before going to bed but was like meh I don't have time for this.
But the pissing match b/w Hedno and people who basically only watch the EPL was expected.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 1:52 am to Bench McElroy
BM would walk through the premier league, and a dortmund side not preoccupied with europe would have a legit shot too. if "depth" is squads who will finish lower than 10th beating teams who should finish in the top 4 then parity might be the more accurate word. and parity sucks
this is a stupid argument though. the only reason the CL exists is to further this discussion. in addition to the millions upon millions in profit
this is a stupid argument though. the only reason the CL exists is to further this discussion. in addition to the millions upon millions in profit
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 1:55 am
Posted on 10/17/16 at 1:56 am to RandySavage
quote:
Results will likely continue to prove otherwise.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:18 am to WarSlamEagle
quote:
At some point in time, someone convinced people on this board that more parity meant more quality.
Parity doesn't always mean more quality.
But it does mean its not as easy.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:04 am to hendersonshands
quote:
He posted that Bayern has no one challenging them the day after they tied Eintracht Frankfurt.
When was the last time Bayern didnt win the league by at least ten points?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:23 am to cwil177
The only real argument that BPL has is that there are very few lopsided results. When you're winning games 7-1, 6-0, etc. it's hard to argue about the strength of the league when a mid table team is able to actually pressure the top of the table.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:16 am to LuckyTiger
quote:
No, they're great because they play in less competitive leagues.
This makes no sense. You could maybe argue they are more successful but i think their greatness has very little to do with Ingolstad or Osasuna.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:53 am to cwil177
Top 10 v 10 I think EPL goes 6-4 v bundesliga, 3-7 v la liga, and 5 v 5 with Serie A. I think La Liga is the clear cut best league, and the next 4 are interchangeable. The top 5 of La Liga and the Serie A is clearly stronger than the EPLs.
Man city
Arsenal
Tottenham
Liverpool
Chelsea
Everton
Man U
Southampton
Crystal palace
Watford
Bayern
Koln
Leipseig
Hertha
Dortmund
Hoffenheim
Mainz
Eintracht
Monchengladenbach
Bayer 04
Athletico
Real M
Sevilla
Barcelona
Villarreal
Bilbao
Las palmas
Eiber
Alavas
Real sociedad
Juve
Roma
AC
Napoli
Lazio
Chievo
Cagliari
Genoa
Sassuelo
Torino
Man city
Arsenal
Tottenham
Liverpool
Chelsea
Everton
Man U
Southampton
Crystal palace
Watford
Bayern
Koln
Leipseig
Hertha
Dortmund
Hoffenheim
Mainz
Eintracht
Monchengladenbach
Bayer 04
Athletico
Real M
Sevilla
Barcelona
Villarreal
Bilbao
Las palmas
Eiber
Alavas
Real sociedad
Juve
Roma
AC
Napoli
Lazio
Chievo
Cagliari
Genoa
Sassuelo
Torino
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:04 pm to Retrograde
quote:
The top 5 of the Serie A is clearly stronger than the EPLs.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:33 pm to Bench McElroy
This subject always brings out the best and worst in fans. I am reluctant to even wade into it because someone will always have a vociferous differing opinion but nevertheless here I go.
To be quick and short, I find the Bundesliga to be best in terms of tactics, I think La Liga and Bundesliga to be about equal in terms of overall talent depth though I do believe La Liga produces the best talent (the once in a generation type players), and I feel the Premier League is indeed the most physical league in the world.
I prefer to watch the Bundesliga. I've seen some pretty ugly football in the Premier League. Tactics and technical skill are superior in the Bundesliga and La Liga in my opinion. I do think the Premier League is more physical, partly due to the lower level of tactics and technical play. The MLS is one of the most physical leagues in the world, verified by top foreign players who have ventured to MLS. There is significantly more running and physical contact. If you are marking a player of superior technical skill, you will tackle him with more ferocity, push, shove, and grab him with more aggression, and physically impede his movement. Some are fine with this kind of play while others find it abhorrent.
Guardiola's tactics have largely stayed the same overall, minus an experimental dabble here and there. When he first assumed command at Bayern, he utilized the wings more because there was good ability there, but he returned to his favored philosophy of playing forward through the middle, a high line, fullbacks or wingers drifting in, controlling possession and distribution, and attacking through central midfield. He failed to achieve the success that he had at Barca because the talent he had was not equal to Barca's talent when he was there. Muller is great, but he is not Messi (that's okay, there aren't many Messis). Alonso is a great midfielder with tremendous passing ability but he is no Xavi at Barca when Guardiola was there. Vidal serves as a Busquets, a wrecking ball holding midfielder capable of spurring at attack. However, Guardiola could never find a Iniesta at Bayern, a player capable of doing everything that Guardiola wanted to do. That is, a player capable of dribbling past anyone and knifing through defenses to go along with superior distribution (that's okay, there aren't many Iniestas).
So while I believe the overall talent depth is the best in Germany and Spain, I feel that there are a few more truly superior unique players in Spain that Guardiola had the benefit of utilizing that he did not have in Germany. Guardiola may win the Premier League because I feel that he has as much talent on hand as any other club in Britain. I would not be surprised to see him blow up during a match, however, because I feel opponents will play against him with a level of physicalness that he is unaccustomed.
After reading Guardiola's comments, it appears that when he is using the term "intense" about a league he is referring to overall quality of players. In that case, I feel that he is right if he is insinuating that the overall quality is greater in Germany and Spain. I would also say that I believe tactics are greater in Germany and Spain. However, I do think that clubs in Britain play with more physicalness and that has to be taken into consideration as well. I agree with the previous poster that said Atletico plays with intense physical quality but I would also add that Atletico is pretty unique in Spain in that area, in my opinion. As a whole, Guardiola will encounter more of it in the Premier League.
To be quick and short, I find the Bundesliga to be best in terms of tactics, I think La Liga and Bundesliga to be about equal in terms of overall talent depth though I do believe La Liga produces the best talent (the once in a generation type players), and I feel the Premier League is indeed the most physical league in the world.
I prefer to watch the Bundesliga. I've seen some pretty ugly football in the Premier League. Tactics and technical skill are superior in the Bundesliga and La Liga in my opinion. I do think the Premier League is more physical, partly due to the lower level of tactics and technical play. The MLS is one of the most physical leagues in the world, verified by top foreign players who have ventured to MLS. There is significantly more running and physical contact. If you are marking a player of superior technical skill, you will tackle him with more ferocity, push, shove, and grab him with more aggression, and physically impede his movement. Some are fine with this kind of play while others find it abhorrent.
Guardiola's tactics have largely stayed the same overall, minus an experimental dabble here and there. When he first assumed command at Bayern, he utilized the wings more because there was good ability there, but he returned to his favored philosophy of playing forward through the middle, a high line, fullbacks or wingers drifting in, controlling possession and distribution, and attacking through central midfield. He failed to achieve the success that he had at Barca because the talent he had was not equal to Barca's talent when he was there. Muller is great, but he is not Messi (that's okay, there aren't many Messis). Alonso is a great midfielder with tremendous passing ability but he is no Xavi at Barca when Guardiola was there. Vidal serves as a Busquets, a wrecking ball holding midfielder capable of spurring at attack. However, Guardiola could never find a Iniesta at Bayern, a player capable of doing everything that Guardiola wanted to do. That is, a player capable of dribbling past anyone and knifing through defenses to go along with superior distribution (that's okay, there aren't many Iniestas).
So while I believe the overall talent depth is the best in Germany and Spain, I feel that there are a few more truly superior unique players in Spain that Guardiola had the benefit of utilizing that he did not have in Germany. Guardiola may win the Premier League because I feel that he has as much talent on hand as any other club in Britain. I would not be surprised to see him blow up during a match, however, because I feel opponents will play against him with a level of physicalness that he is unaccustomed.
After reading Guardiola's comments, it appears that when he is using the term "intense" about a league he is referring to overall quality of players. In that case, I feel that he is right if he is insinuating that the overall quality is greater in Germany and Spain. I would also say that I believe tactics are greater in Germany and Spain. However, I do think that clubs in Britain play with more physicalness and that has to be taken into consideration as well. I agree with the previous poster that said Atletico plays with intense physical quality but I would also add that Atletico is pretty unique in Spain in that area, in my opinion. As a whole, Guardiola will encounter more of it in the Premier League.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:11 pm to John Keating
quote:
Busquets
quote:
a wrecking ball
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:41 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
Let BM play a full year of PL and CL at the same time and lets really see just how great they are.
They would dominate.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:21 pm to dj30
quote:
They would dominate.
Prove it.
You can't.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:32 pm to Bench McElroy
I prefer to use the Club ELO ratings LINK
Pep's half right.
quote:
Champions League ?1775
Spain 1 ?1769
England 1 ?1717
Germany 1 ?1701
Italy 1 ?1635
Europa League ?1615
France 1 ?1609
Russia ?1587
Spain 2 ?1573
Portugal ?1498
Ukraine ?1495
Turkey ?1483
Austria ?1479
Switzerland ?1478
Germany 2 ?1477
England 2 ?1474
Belgium ?1468
Netherlands ?1449
Czechia ?1430
Pep's half right.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:46 pm to GoldenGuy
I thought Elo was only used in chess and Destiny haha
Posted on 10/17/16 at 10:52 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:
PL is the SEC, Bund is the Big 10, La Liga is the PAC 12.
good one. 
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