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Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:36 pm
Do we have a USL with promotion and relegation and MLS? Where does this momentum lead? I really dont know and would love a true healthy sustainable domestic situation with promotion and relegation.
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:37 pm to nola tiger lsu
Relegation and promotion will happen here because the owners will never agree to it but the game is going to keep growing here for sure. This World Cup is going to be huge for growing the game here.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:38 pm to T1gerNate
Fair enough, Im probably with you... but how many Tier 1 teams then? How healthy will USL be because they will likely have pro/rel.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:46 pm to nola tiger lsu
quote:MLS has no incentive to align with USL/USLC whatsoever. What momentum? They have a massive competitive advantage that will never be overcome by those tiny markets. Owners didn’t pay the franchise fees they paid to be sent down to a 2nd division (and possible financial annihilation they never get out of) to allow for the possibility of Rhode Island Football Club or New Mexico United replacing them
Do we have a USL with promotion and relegation and MLS? Where does this momentum lead?
USL/USLC is more likely a step closer to insolvency in 5 years as fan support of current USL clubs collapses with each relegation. This is not something that’s been thought through by those who chirp the loudest for it
Pro/rel under a unified pyramid is never happening and it’s really past time for acceptance
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:47 pm to RemouladeSawce
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MLS has no incentive to align with USL/USLC whatsoever. What momentum?
Agree, meant momentum for growth in general.
They will never align.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:58 pm to nola tiger lsu
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Do we have a USL with promotion and relegation and MLS? Where does this momentum lead?
Won’t happen because MLS are cowards. Current model is to create an insular system in order to make more money. However, it’s a big mistake not involving more loyal, smaller markets in order to increase drama and revenue potential. Instead, they’d rather go the NFL model, and that’s why it will always be more entertainment than sport, showbiz than craft.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:01 pm to nola tiger lsu
Things will be very telling when USL introduces the new league top league and pro/rel amongst its three leagues in 2028.
Two ways it can go, the league falls flat on its face because of the kinda weird stipulations they are floating around for pro/rel or it galvanizes the league and it atleast puts a dent in the MLS to where Garber would be forced to at least consider buying the USL and doing pro/rel amongst the four leagues.
I'm not sure pro/rel is going to take off like the USL is hoping, but it would be a big moment for the growth of soccer in this country if it does.
Two ways it can go, the league falls flat on its face because of the kinda weird stipulations they are floating around for pro/rel or it galvanizes the league and it atleast puts a dent in the MLS to where Garber would be forced to at least consider buying the USL and doing pro/rel amongst the four leagues.
I'm not sure pro/rel is going to take off like the USL is hoping, but it would be a big moment for the growth of soccer in this country if it does.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:02 pm to Alyosha
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However, it’s a big mistake not involving more loyal, smaller markets in order to increase drama and revenue potential.
We need to build up our local clubs and leagues… like the GCPL
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:06 pm to Alyosha
quote:Average USL attendance is 4,800 with substantially lower ceilings by nature of playing in substantially smaller markets
big mistake not involving more loyal, smaller markets in order to increase drama and revenue potential
MLS not diluting their product doesn’t make them cowards. It makes them not retarded
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:08 pm to RemouladeSawce
Showbiz it is then!
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:08 pm to nola tiger lsu
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but how many Tier 1 teams then?
You’re not tier 1 just because you say you are
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:12 pm to Alyosha
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Won’t happen because MLS are cowards. Current model is to create an insular system in order to make more money. However, it’s a big mistake not involving more loyal, smaller markets in order to increase drama and revenue potential. Instead, they’d rather go the NFL model, and that’s why it will always be more entertainment than sport, showbiz than craft
Not entirely accurate.
MLS is adamant about following the American model of sport leagues. And they aren't entirely wrong to do so. American fans aren't used to relegation and trying to introduce it as the highest professional league will be a huge hassle.
USL implementing it is the best way to do it. A smaller league is better suited for the task. Once it's a feature understood by Americans, they can merge with the MLS.
I give it at least a decade
ETA: I believe relegation should be introduced to CFB. Every P5 conference aligns itself with a G5 and go from there. Top 2 of G5 moves up, bottom 2 of P5 relegate down.
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:26 pm to magildachunks
quote:How will it be understood by Americans when no one is paying attention? MLS and its huge markets are practically irrelevant in the American sports landscape. How many American soccer fans could even name 3 USL franchises? Is it even a double digit %?
Once it's a feature understood by Americans, they can merge with the MLS
Pro/rel isn’t taking off when a few dads in Chattanooga or Tulsa who take their family to 1 game every 2-3 years learn what it is
You’re also assuming that once educated they are going to like it. And greatly underestimating how fickle USL/C fanbases would be when their team is sent down. They’re not Millwall supporters. They’re dweebs doing the current trendy social thing in their small markets watching clubs that were founded in years that start with “201x” and “202x”
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 7/5/26 at 11:58 pm to magildachunks
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And they aren't entirely wrong to do so. American fans aren't used to relegation and trying to introduce it as the highest professional league will be a huge hassle
Yeah I get that, but it’s more of a stain on the fan not knowing what’s already tested and sustainable all over the world. Current system favors the owners union. Therefore the American model perpetuates a mediocre product with no accountability à la Colorado Rockies. With pro/rel on the line, incentive rises across all parties.
This post was edited on 7/6/26 at 12:00 am
Posted on 7/6/26 at 6:41 am to RemouladeSawce
Only if the MLS gets popular and MAYBE they can do a minor league thing like baseball to develop players
Posted on 7/6/26 at 6:53 am to nola tiger lsu
In less than 10 years MLS becomes the second most popular league behind Premier league. It becomes the third highest paying league behind Premier and the Saudis.
There will never be a relegation aspect to U.S. Soccer. It doesn’t fit our capitalistic mold.
There will never be a relegation aspect to U.S. Soccer. It doesn’t fit our capitalistic mold.
This post was edited on 7/6/26 at 6:56 am
Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:01 am to nola tiger lsu
We will never see relegation and promotion here, especially in MLS.
I guess it could happen in USL.
No owner in a major market would go for it due to loss of money. I’m not sure how much lower ATL untied attendance could get though even if you relegated them.
Relegation works in England and others because it’s basically a state with a team in every town.
We just don’t have that here and the mls already has a very shallow fanbase. It’s made strides but it’s still a retirement home for stars
I guess it could happen in USL.
No owner in a major market would go for it due to loss of money. I’m not sure how much lower ATL untied attendance could get though even if you relegated them.
Relegation works in England and others because it’s basically a state with a team in every town.
We just don’t have that here and the mls already has a very shallow fanbase. It’s made strides but it’s still a retirement home for stars
Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:04 am to RemouladeSawce
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MLS has no incentive to align with USL/USLC whatsoever.
I agree with this, but money and scale could be a factor. If they could get this right and generate TV deals then you will have the incentive. But in this country ad revenue and TV deals determine who wins and who loses. The product also has to be compelling.
I would love to see a true US Soccer tradition begin that can incorporate a relegation style league that has training camps and teams all over the country building the game and getting kids excited to play. Basketball has a vibrant AAU circuit, baseball has World Series tournaments every weekend, football has the university system pumping out prospects.
Soccer has dads who coach their kids because the team didn’t have a coach.
Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:05 am to USAFTiger42
The MLS could say that only top tier USL clubs are considered for expansion. So the USL can keep
relegation/promotion and when the MLS chooses to expand it selects from the top tier USL clubs that meet financial and infrastructure requirements.
relegation/promotion and when the MLS chooses to expand it selects from the top tier USL clubs that meet financial and infrastructure requirements.
Posted on 7/6/26 at 7:18 am to Alyosha
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Yeah I get that, but it’s more of a stain on the fan not knowing what’s already tested and sustainable all over the world.
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Therefore the American model perpetuates a mediocre product with no accountability à la Colorado Rockies. With pro/rel on the line, incentive rises across all parties
All it does is protect the very top.
It makes it near impossible for a team at the bottom of the league develop and rise.
La liga has had 3 champions in the last 20 years.
Since 2012 PSG has won that league 12 times.
Bayern Munich has won the bundesliga 19 times in the last 25 years. Only 1 other team in the last 14 years.
MLB has 9 different champions since 2015
The nba has had 8 different champions the last 8 years.
NFL has had 7 different champions since 2016
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