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re: Will Trump pardon the ICE agent before leaving office if the Dems win the Prez.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:43 am to BBONDS25
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:43 am to BBONDS25
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Of course it is. Good lord.
ICE Agents don't have the general powers of enforcing all laws do they? For instance, they can't enforce Minnesota traffic laws.
I know the allegation is that Good was blocking the ICE Agents from proceeding down the street. Obviously, Agent Ross didn't think she was worthy of detention. He had been on the scene before the Nissan truck guys.
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Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:44 am to IvoryBillMatt
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They do, but they don't automatically protect Ross. If Ross exceeded his authority as a Federal Agent, he doesn't have immunity.
Then the feds need to first indict Walz and then Ellison as quickly as they can.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:44 am to ItTakesAThief
He needs to leave the country honestly. Federal pardon is a given. But MN will hunt him down.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:49 am to McLemore
quote:do you only hate federalism when it is your ox being gored?
He needs to leave the country honestly. Federal pardon is a given. But MN will hunt him down.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:50 am to Nosevens
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Correct but it was Noem who stated that he was diligent about his job, decision and his immunity in response to Minnesota leaders saying he murdered the gal
She also completely lied about the facts of the incident, so I don't take Secretary Noem's word on this. Also, Noem has many strengths, but understanding the law is not one of them:
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:50 am to McLemore
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He needs to leave the country honestly. Federal pardon is a given. But MN will hunt him down.
LOL
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:52 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Of course he can.
He can't be charged in state court for this
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:52 am to ItTakesAThief
You don’t need a pardon if you’re not guilty.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:52 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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But it is Minnesota. He will definitely be indicted.
Then the government pays for his defense.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:54 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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do you only hate federalism when it is your ox being gored?
Interesting question. I might say I'm learning to hate many things about federalism or immigration law or lack thereof and the 14th amendment. We are spiraling as a country and I hate that. And I think I may not survive around half of the country and I hate that.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:56 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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But it is Minnesota. He will definitely be indicted.
If Minnesota is going to indict him for murder (or whatever), then why is Waltz and Frey begging to have Minnesota’s agencies included with the DOJ & FBI investigations? Can’t they do their own investigations without the DOJ, FBI & ICE and charge him?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:56 am to ItTakesAThief
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Will Trump pardon the ICE agent before leaving office if the Dems win the Prez.
Why do you think the Feds will charge him?
Seems like the State court might. But you knew the President can’t pardon for state charges, right?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:58 am to IvoryBillMatt
Lie about facts? What lie as I’m not aware of a particular one pertaining. Picking on a politicians acumen is not really fair game because nobody is getting the best of the ones being elected. That says more about the average electorate than anything else. But regardless if agent was sober and no ill will is shown then he should good to go.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:00 am to IvoryBillMatt
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ICE Agents don't have the general powers of enforcing all laws do they? For instance, they can't enforce Minnesota traffic laws.
An ICE agent can temporarily detain a US citizen. Any argument to the contrary is one based upon complete ignorance.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:01 am to AlxTgr
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He can't be charged in state court for this
Of course he can.
Technically you are right. Anyone can be charged anywhere. It won't stick and at a minimum would be moved to federal court.
I will rephrase and say that he won't stand trial in state court.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:04 am to IvoryBillMatt
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ICE Agents don't have the general powers of enforcing all laws do they? For instance, they can't enforce Minnesota traffic laws.
You seriously think that someone blocking a public road and preventing federal officers in the course of official business from proceeding is "enforcing Minnesota traffic laws"
You think if I just go block some FBI agent with my car, he's just going to wait until local PD shows up, since it's just "traffic laws"
How fricking dense are you?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:What? This would be a state charge. This isn't like divercity civil jurisdiction.
It won't stick and at a minimum would be moved to federal court.
quote:Why?
I will rephrase and say that he won't stand trial in state court.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
State of limitations in MN is quite long and will outlast this administration.
Moving it to a federal court isn’t necessarily a good thing for Mr. Ross.
Moving it to a federal court isn’t necessarily a good thing for Mr. Ross.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:07 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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do you only hate federalism when it is your ox being gored?
I neither stated nor implied anything about my views on federalism or anything else except my opinion that MN will prosecute him.
Is that controversial? Do you think MN will not?
If he wants to avoid that, then he needs to go to a non-extradition jurisdiction. Because federal pardon won’t help him.
Just factual statements except my opinion that MN will go after him.
But argue with yourself.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:10 am to AlxTgr
I standby my statement that he will never stand trial in Minnesota state court. I actually don't think he will ever be charged.
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