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re: Why isn't Trump harsher on the demand side of illegals?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:56 am to Eurocat
Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:56 am to Eurocat
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Couldn't you say the same thing about bars and young looking people having to prove they are twenty one? Is that also on government and not the bar owners?
It's not on the bar to come up with the gov ID system, though. Yeah, people take advantage of it but it's not their job to police the border. If an employee gets through E-Verify the employer has done the equivalent of checking an ID at the bar.
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 6:58 am to Powerman
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Because Trump is all about political theater. Make no mistake, he loves this shite.
By deporting less people than Obama?
And if you think ICE wasn’t rounding up illegals then, you would be dead fricking wrong.
Like most of your hot takes are.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 6:59 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:01 am to autigerslaw
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Because it’s absurd for a country to put the onus on private businesses to verify whether someone is in our country legally or not. It’s the job of the federal government…not its citizens.
These jokers don’t know jack shite.
They should go around their place of work and start catching fraudulent social security numbers.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 7:54 am to Big Scrub TX
I agree.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:06 am to Big Scrub TX
Businesses, for the most part, are playing by the rules. They are only hiring people the Federal Government is validating as legal. The problem is that the federal Government is calling illegals legal. That’s not the fault of businesses.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:12 am to Big Scrub TX
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It might be absurd, but it's not rocket science. It should be illegal to hire an illegal.
It is. Now, how does the business know if an applicant is an illegal? They ask the Federal Government, and the government says he’s legal and gives the thumbs up. When the government is wrong that is not the business’ fault.
Think it. through. If you fine businesses for trusting the Federal Government they will stop hiring anyone who is Latino because he might be an illegal.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:20 am to Powerman
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And there will likely be no consequences for the business owner who is already using the plausible deniability tactic.
If his company truly ran everyone through e-verify, why should he face consequences? If not, there should be fines.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:21 am to Big Scrub TX
It sort of boggles the mind. If they are illegal, and they have no social or visa - are taxes being taken out of their pay? Are they getting paid lower than minimum wage?
It seems to me that businesses are most likely profiting by not having to payroll taxes, and the illegal gets to take home a greater percent than a citizen.
I would come to some sort of deal - let the government know exactly how many visas would need to be granted to cover your employment, and grant them that - but no illegal exceptions. If they employ legals after that, they can just be shut down.
My hunch is the argument that "oh my god the country would shut down without illegals", would be determined to be grossly false.
It seems to me that businesses are most likely profiting by not having to payroll taxes, and the illegal gets to take home a greater percent than a citizen.
I would come to some sort of deal - let the government know exactly how many visas would need to be granted to cover your employment, and grant them that - but no illegal exceptions. If they employ legals after that, they can just be shut down.
My hunch is the argument that "oh my god the country would shut down without illegals", would be determined to be grossly false.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:25 am to Penrod
quote:yep. I have some sympathy for some employers because of this.
It is. Now, how does the business know if an applicant is an illegal? They ask the Federal Government, and the government says he’s legal and gives the thumbs up. When the government is wrong that is not the business’ fault.
Think it. through. If you fine businesses for trusting the Federal Government they will stop hiring anyone who is Latino because he might be an illegal.
Weigh what Penrod wrote versus discrimination laws in employment.
If you are trying to do it right, you just might find yourself in a no win situation.
If you are exploiting the system AND the illegals you have a better chance of not being fined or in the government's crosshairs.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:50 am to Big Scrub TX
They have been clear that they are enforcing all laws against businesses that knowingly hire illegals.
This is a sky screaming thread.
This is a sky screaming thread.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:50 am to dgnx6
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They should go around their place of work and start catching fraudulent social security numbers.
It is unlawful for an employer to request more information than what is provided to them to complete Section 2 of the I-9 form. Further, if e-Verify can't detect their fraud, how are employers supposed to?
I agree with your sentiment 100%, but for all their bluster, Congress doesn't want to fix this issue and the bureaucracy is full of open-border lefties who are convinced they're doing the right thing by enabling the fraud and ensuring these people get benefits and employment.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:52 am to Powerman
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And there will likely be no consequences for the business owner who is already using the plausible deniability tactic.
If there are no consequences for business owners that employ vast numbers of illegals, the demand side of the issue will still persist.
In this specific case, the business owner may be exactly right here. We all know the federal government has been endorsing illegal immigration for a long time. Why would the feds and the NGOs not be working together to intentionally defraud the system so that illegals could even get jobs with companies that weren't looking for illegals?
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 8:56 am to I20goon
There is a significant difference between intentionally hiring ineligible workers and adhering to the rules established by the government.
Here is the problem: when a Democrat is in office, they ramp up anti-discriminatory rules. They make it easy to file a discrimination claim. A business has to be very careful regarding employment, even if it knows the person may not be eligible to work. E-Verify says you cannot fire an employee or refuse to hire, as long as the applicant is in an appeal process.
When a Republican is in the white house, businesses have to change their policies. This back-and-forth is just a microcosm of the issues companies face. Not to mention, OSHA, DOL rules, union rights, and the DOJ's definition of what is a monopoly. It is a shell game.
Here is the problem: when a Democrat is in office, they ramp up anti-discriminatory rules. They make it easy to file a discrimination claim. A business has to be very careful regarding employment, even if it knows the person may not be eligible to work. E-Verify says you cannot fire an employee or refuse to hire, as long as the applicant is in an appeal process.
When a Republican is in the white house, businesses have to change their policies. This back-and-forth is just a microcosm of the issues companies face. Not to mention, OSHA, DOL rules, union rights, and the DOJ's definition of what is a monopoly. It is a shell game.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:26 am to Big Scrub TX
Businesses are supposed to verify citizenship/right to work status through an I-9 upon hiring. The problem is that it is that compliance administratively difficult to enforce. I know there are penalties for failing to properly obtain/file I-9s, but I don’t know the severity. That said, I’ve never ran into an instance where the government checked on a business’ compliance with I-9s.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:28 am to Big Scrub TX
Co-signed.
As the jobs go away, self-deportation occurs.
As the jobs go away, self-deportation occurs.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:29 am to jimmy the leg
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Did you miss the thread on the Omaha ICE raid
Omaha is quite blue.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:31 am to Powerman
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And there will likely be no consequences for the business owner who is already using the plausible deniability tactic.
You would be the first one bitching about a change to Everify.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:32 am to Powerman
Look how passionate you are about Trump doing more. I don't recall you being this passionate over Biden policy of flooding America. Admittedly, I do not always pay attention to your posting, but notice you have a lot of them in this thread.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:54 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Did you miss the thread on the Omaha ICE raid
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Omaha is quite blue.
You said:
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A lot of "red" states employ millions of illegals, yet they aren't being touched.
Nebraska is red, unless you are talking about another Omaha.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:26 am to YumYum Sauce
quote:It's awfully convenient how we just let them off the hook en masse.
Most small business owners dont have the means to vet who is and isnt legal. They take your paperwork, send it to everify and if it passes you are hired.
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