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re: Why is Mississippi on the bottom of almost every single ranking by state?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Maryland has them too, and here in California we have Mexicans coming in thousands over the fences each day. Doesn't seem to lower the rankings of those states. In fact, Maryland, while losing appeal due to democrats, is still very wealthy.
I was thinking of no real industry, but ok.
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:16 pm to upgrayedd
quote:quote:I was thinking of no real industry, but ok.
Maryland has them too, and here in California we have Mexicans coming in thousands over the fences each day. Doesn't seem to lower the rankings of those states. In fact, Maryland, while losing appeal due to democrats, is still very wealthy.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:18 pm to upgrayedd
Oh shite. 
but in reality, why don't you see more reforms/policies in MS if it is so poor? Why do the residents accept poverty?
but in reality, why don't you see more reforms/policies in MS if it is so poor? Why do the residents accept poverty? 
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:20 pm to upgrayedd
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I can think of a reason...
As someone whose family hales from Mississippi (both sides), I am intimately familiar with the state. It is a great place to live; however, vast parts of the state are rural and a lot of that is dirt fricking poor. What is worse is that the state capital is a festering shithole due, in large part, to its indigenous population. You go outside Hinds County (to Madison or Rankin) and it is night and day.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Oh shite. but in reality, why don't you see more reforms/policies in MS if it is so poor? Why do the residents accept poverty?
You need something to drive it. Probably outsiders. Let's be honest, take away Atlanta, a booming Birmingham and Huntsville, Charleston, an improving Greenville, etc. etc. from other deep south states, and they're probably doing poorly.
Mississippi, unfortunately, has nothing. Every other state has better cities. Florida and Alabama have better beaches. The culture is an amalgamation of culture better represented in surrounding states.
I don't hate Mississippi, but it needs to find some specific focus or industry and just live and breathe it for the next 20 years.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:38 pm to Pettifogger
Oxford has the best education system in the state. They spend the most local money on public education, The schools are integrated and the private school is tiny. The athletics are top notch at the high school level. There's a culture of excellence here that permeates.
Art, Food, Music, Literature, and Sports are here. The economy is diverse. Manufacturing, Tourism, Education, ect. The University is growing in the face of national trends. There is building everywhere. Houses, Condos, Hotels, Roads, and even a new hospital. Oxford recently enforced a super liberal tree policy, you cut down a two foot tall oak, elm, magnolia, ect. and you have to replace it with an ocean of trees. But because Oxford is so desirable builders are willing to play ball. They demolish old, run down buildings and build on top of them instead of cutting down trees.
It'll be interesting to see if Oxford can save its soul through all the growth. Almost the rest of Mississippi however, is a pit of dispair. My favorite theory is "brain drain". Our best and brightest leave the state for better opportunities elsewhere.
Art, Food, Music, Literature, and Sports are here. The economy is diverse. Manufacturing, Tourism, Education, ect. The University is growing in the face of national trends. There is building everywhere. Houses, Condos, Hotels, Roads, and even a new hospital. Oxford recently enforced a super liberal tree policy, you cut down a two foot tall oak, elm, magnolia, ect. and you have to replace it with an ocean of trees. But because Oxford is so desirable builders are willing to play ball. They demolish old, run down buildings and build on top of them instead of cutting down trees.
It'll be interesting to see if Oxford can save its soul through all the growth. Almost the rest of Mississippi however, is a pit of dispair. My favorite theory is "brain drain". Our best and brightest leave the state for better opportunities elsewhere.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:45 pm to inelishaitrust
From the movie Annapolis:
Also, some state has to be last.
quote:
Twins: People who live in Arkansas, you know what their favorite state is?
Jake Huard: No.
Twins: Mississippi. Cause Mississippi's the only thing that keeps Arkansas from being the worst state in the whole country.
Also, some state has to be last.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's because there is jack shite going on there. Some other states with not much going on like the Dakotas, Wyoming, Alaska, etc. all have sparse populations with an economic activity that creates jobs like oil or whatever.
Mississippi just has nothing good.
Mississippi just has nothing good.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Demographics. It's not a populated state. There are no major metropolitan areas. There are no major natural resources. The only tourist attraction is history and the outdoors.
I mean, it takes something to create a spark. Large industries will not move somewhere where it's hard to find people. It's just a sparsely populated state. It's a land mass.
People have been trying for years to figure out how to turn Mississippi around. You think simple "unwillingness" is the reason Mississippi isn't Maryland?
I mean, it takes something to create a spark. Large industries will not move somewhere where it's hard to find people. It's just a sparsely populated state. It's a land mass.
People have been trying for years to figure out how to turn Mississippi around. You think simple "unwillingness" is the reason Mississippi isn't Maryland?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
I have lived in MS, LA, NYC (for a brief period), Seattle and TN.
Based on my experiences, there is very little that separates MS, LA and TN in areas outside of cities.
MS has one of the largest and most fertile farming areas in the country in the MS Delta. While the Delta culture is extremely poor and extravagantly wealthy (with the few at the top), IMO the people in the Delta are some of the most fascinating in the world. As such, interests in being taken and money being invested by people from all over the world in the Delta (from hedge funds to blues hippies).
It is correct to state that one of the biggest problems Mississippi faces is education...the public school system is the worst in the country. MS recently passed charter school legislation that will hopefully change this for the better.
Also, vast areas including the MS Delta, have been dependent on government assistance for decades. This poverty has beget more poverty and apathy.
As to the future, I think it is bright in some areas. The Tuscaloosa Shale in Southwest Mississippi has the potential to rival what is happening in the Dakotas right now from a monetary influx standpoint.
Business are coming to the state (Toyota, Nissan, Eurocopter, etc.). The productive citizens of Memphis are moving to Desoto County and starting their lives anew with their base of operations being in MS.
We shall see how things change (or don't) in the next 10 years.
Based on my experiences, there is very little that separates MS, LA and TN in areas outside of cities.
MS has one of the largest and most fertile farming areas in the country in the MS Delta. While the Delta culture is extremely poor and extravagantly wealthy (with the few at the top), IMO the people in the Delta are some of the most fascinating in the world. As such, interests in being taken and money being invested by people from all over the world in the Delta (from hedge funds to blues hippies).
It is correct to state that one of the biggest problems Mississippi faces is education...the public school system is the worst in the country. MS recently passed charter school legislation that will hopefully change this for the better.
Also, vast areas including the MS Delta, have been dependent on government assistance for decades. This poverty has beget more poverty and apathy.
As to the future, I think it is bright in some areas. The Tuscaloosa Shale in Southwest Mississippi has the potential to rival what is happening in the Dakotas right now from a monetary influx standpoint.
Business are coming to the state (Toyota, Nissan, Eurocopter, etc.). The productive citizens of Memphis are moving to Desoto County and starting their lives anew with their base of operations being in MS.
We shall see how things change (or don't) in the next 10 years.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:09 pm to DeltaDoc
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Based on my experiences, there is very little that separates MS, LA and TN in areas outside of cities.
I would say, you could pretty much say this about most of America.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Lots if reasons.
We have few natural resources to spark industry and manufacturing.
We rely mostly on agriculture and aquaculture which has become more mechanized and left many unemployed and a huge welfare state which leads to poverty, poor schools and obesity.
There is a general don't give a shot attitude in the state. I know so many people who simply don't care if the sun comes up...some have millions of dollars and dress in clothes from wal mart and drive a truck with 200k miles and will replace the engine before buying a new one. It's like they enjoy looking shitty
Private schools have taken all if the rich white kids leaving only poor black ones for public schools so that causes there to be very little for parents or the community to invest in schools. Areas of Ms that don't have a private school have great public schools
We have few natural resources to spark industry and manufacturing.
We rely mostly on agriculture and aquaculture which has become more mechanized and left many unemployed and a huge welfare state which leads to poverty, poor schools and obesity.
There is a general don't give a shot attitude in the state. I know so many people who simply don't care if the sun comes up...some have millions of dollars and dress in clothes from wal mart and drive a truck with 200k miles and will replace the engine before buying a new one. It's like they enjoy looking shitty
Private schools have taken all if the rich white kids leaving only poor black ones for public schools so that causes there to be very little for parents or the community to invest in schools. Areas of Ms that don't have a private school have great public schools
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:21 pm to deltaland
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which leads to poverty, poor schools and obesity.
I find it interesting that, now, poverty and obesity are synonymous with each other.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I would say, you could pretty much say this about most of America.
I would say the same but even the cities throughout America are mostly the same.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Inhabited by:
Descendants of slaves
Rednecks
Poor
Fat
Hot
No mountains
Crappy beaches
Too close to Alabama
No natural resources (stole from Delta, above)
Only one "major" port--and that's Pascagoula
Repeat
btw, i believe i have standing to say this (this is me; someone put an immortality curse on me circa 1868).
LINK
Descendants of slaves
Rednecks
Poor
Fat
Hot
No mountains
Crappy beaches
Too close to Alabama
No natural resources (stole from Delta, above)
Only one "major" port--and that's Pascagoula
Repeat
btw, i believe i have standing to say this (this is me; someone put an immortality curse on me circa 1868).
quote:
In 1831,...a Virginian named Richard McLemore became the first settler of Meridian after receiving a federal land grant of about 2,000 acres (810 ha).
LINK
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:32 pm to deltaland
Forbes had Mississippi ranked 49th in the Best State of Business list last year. One of the components in the rankings is Regulatory Environment, which ranked 41st in the nation. Could anyone elaborate on why this is the case when you take into consideration that it's one of the reddest states in the union?
Forbes Profile of MS
Forbes Profile of MS
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:46 pm to Anfield Road
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Could anyone elaborate on why this is the case when you take into consideration that it's one of the reddest states in the union?
No clue. I do know that there are more attorneys per capita in MS than virtually any other state (or at least that used to be the case). Perhaps it relates to the tort system in addition to government regulation...a carry over if you will.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
"Doesn't seem to lower the rankings of those states."
I wouldn't be so sure about that. California recently ranked 48th in grade school test scores and well behind many Southern states (even Alabama).
I wouldn't be so sure about that. California recently ranked 48th in grade school test scores and well behind many Southern states (even Alabama).
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:36 pm to upgrayedd
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I find it interesting that, now, poverty and obesity are synonymous with each other.
why? the cheapest and most accessible foods are also the worst for you health wise.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:38 pm to MJM
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why? the cheapest and most accessible foods are also the worst for you health wise.
I had no idea vegetables were so expensive.
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