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re: Why hasn't the independent party become powerful?
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:32 am to Cajun367
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:32 am to Cajun367
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Is it solely due to funding?
Top five reasons for our strong 2 party system in no order:
Stranglehold on funding
Stranglehold on Media
RNC and DNC are essentially the same thing in DC
Willingly ignorant populace
Unwilling independent candidates who join with the big parties
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Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:36 am to 3nOut
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ETA: while I do have a lot of Libertarian leanings, a lot of the party is BSC and those loses credibility.
The problem is not with the party, it's with 'opportunism' on the part of the candidates. The voters are libertarian but the candidates (after Harry Browne) did not come up through the party. They failed to advance in the GOP (think Bob Barr) and saw it as a chance to get in the game.
The same thing happened with the Green Party. It's supposed to be the party of environmentalism. But they nominated Ralph Nader. He has ZERO to do with the Green movement. He's a class warrior liberal. He's the male version of Eliz. Warren.
Same with that black woman they nominated in 2016.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:37 am to weagle99
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Because people can’t handle more than 2 sides.
My team's better.
We'd need a league with divisional rivalry.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:41 am to Cajun367
barriers to entry just like there isn't going to be another big car or oil or banking entity spring up either
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:50 am to BestBanker
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We'd need a league with divisional rivalry.
It would be interesting to have Libertarian (they could go either way I wager,) Constitution, Conservative, and Republican parties on one side and Green, Socialist, and Democratic as the primaries instead of just two parties but R&D would just win anyways
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:52 am to Cajun367
The question has been answered.
This post was edited on 9/14/19 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:00 am to Cajun367
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Why is that?
Well the United States uses a first past the post electoral system which means winner takes all.
Duverger's Law goes into why this system tends to favor the emergence of a two party system.
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Duverger laid out two paths by which plurality voting systems lead to fewer major parties: the "fusion" or alliance of weaker parties into more effective factions, and the "elimination" of weak parties as voters gradually desert them because they have no chance of winning and influencing governance.
Now it's not an absolute rule but it seems to hold decently well. The link has more information.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:13 am to Cajun367
quote:Because they're timid and indecisive and have no appeal?
Why hasn't the independent party become powerful?
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:16 am to tigerpawl
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Why hasn't the independent party become powerful?
Because they're timid and indecisive and have no appeal?
I mean, essentially by definition their positions can only come about by the positions of others. It’s one of many reasons I rarely take anyone seriously who DECLARES themselves “independent.”
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:32 am to Cajun367
There isn’t an Independent Party
Single Member District elections tend to result in two party systems
Single Member District elections tend to result in two party systems
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:35 am to Cajun367
Because independents are “independent” of a party.
If you mean a third party, it has to do with single member districts.
If you mean a third party, it has to do with single member districts.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:48 am to Muleriderhog
[quote]Because the far left and far right have created such a divide that normal Americans are stuck having to choose between 2 sides that suck. The crazies will drown out a independent.[/quo
Independents put Obama in office TWICE .
That's crazy.
Independents put Obama in office TWICE .
That's crazy.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:52 am to Cajun367
quote:Very few people are “moderates”. Most “moderates” and “independents” are really just people afraid to tell you what they really think.
Why hasn't the independent party become powerful?
It’s why the Republicans failed for years while courting them so hard.
This post was edited on 9/14/19 at 11:53 am
Posted on 9/14/19 at 11:55 am to tigerpawl
quote:You know what you’ll never see? “Great Moderates of History”.
Because they're timid and indecisive and have no appeal?
Posted on 9/14/19 at 12:58 pm to Cajun367
I am an independent and I support Trump.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 1:08 pm to Taxing Authority
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Very few people are “moderates”. Most “moderates” and “independents” are really just people afraid to tell you what they really think.
I dont see independents being timid about their true feelings, I believe it's just that they dont typically get worked up ideologically speaking to the extent that your solid Ds and Rs do.
It's more pragmatism than ideology.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 1:11 pm to Cajun367
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The vast majority of citizens fall in that middle area between liberal and conservative, yet any independent candidate, especially running for president, is seen as a novelty?
$$$$$$$$$
Posted on 9/14/19 at 1:30 pm to Cajun367
Independent spans a pretty broad spectrum of views and ideology.
For example, I'm a registered independent... but if you break down my views into a specific label, I am a minarchist libertarian.
For example, I'm a registered independent... but if you break down my views into a specific label, I am a minarchist libertarian.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 5:16 pm to Cajun367
Because people are so bsessed with niche social issues that they feel compelled to pick R or D.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:18 pm to Taxing Authority
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Most “moderates” and “independents” are really just people afraid to tell you what they really think.
I'll disagree here. I think extremism to any party breeds a vocal majority.
So you end up with a silent majority that just doesn't speak up for a myriad of reasons.
Easy example. The people protesters for chik fil a. Most people love it, but you won't see a counter protest.
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