re: Why do we have so many weirdo loser white incel young men?

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Why do we have so many weirdo loser white incel young men?

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My personal theory:
1. feminized public school curriculum. Schooling is no longer designed around boys, at all. Every step of the process is meant to punish boys for acting like they're naturally supposed to. There is almost zero time to play, PE basically doesn't exist anymore, and kids are supposed to be quiet and sit in a desk for 8 hours per day. It gets worse because they're given so much homework that there's no time to play or discover anything when they get home either. If they can't do this, they're put on powerful drugs when they're as young as 7.

2. Prescription drugs. These kids are being pumped with ADD and ADHD drugs from age 7, then often put on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications around age 16 or 18. Throw in weed, alcohol, and maybe some pain killers from a sports or car accident injury, and you've got a really dangerous chemical cocktail with serious brain impacts on people whose brain's aren't fully developed.

3. Social media. The people coming of age now have no memory of a time before social media. They likely had a cell phone from age 10 on. Their entire social existence has been flipped inside out from what those in earlier generations experienced, and they know no different. Social media has this crazy habit of both extreme socialization and extreme isolation. You can find groups that have even your most niche and taboo interests in common, but at the same time, you can feel completely and utterly alone in a crowd of peers in your community. Once you're isolated online, there is little opportunity to find a peer group in "the real world" because people don't hang out in public anymore. Back in "the day" before social media and smart phones, friend groups had set "meet-up" spots where they would usually gather. This was necessary because no one could be in touch once they left the house unless they met in person. So, cliques met up in public places. Thus, even if you didn't belong to a clique, you could "cruise" various public places where cliques gather and likely meet people you don't know or run into people you do. This is no longer possible. All in-person gatherings are planned online, and if you're being excluded, you won't ever get the invite or ever see anyone in public...ever. All of the socializing is online, which makes people, frankly, weird. Social media is a haven for perversions, bullying, radicalization, and just general wackiness that can seriously mess with the mind of someone who is already vulnerable.

4. "Sky is falling" political rhetoric. The propaganda of both political parties is often hyperbolic beyond any and all reason. The right argues that the left is going to take away all of our property, regulate society back into the stone age, and herd us into boxcars. The left claims that climate change will kill us all in 10 years and that the right will also herd us into boxcars (but only the women, minorities, LGTBTQ, and people of color). Adults get used to this rhetoric and most learn from experience what is hyperbolic and what is worth engaging with. Children are being flooded with charged hyperbolic political messages in schools starting VERY early. As such, they're absolutely terrified that the death of all of mankind is imminent unless they act dramatically and immediately. They are being thoroughly radicalized by FEAR. When one feels their back is against the wall, they'll be willing to do just about anything to survive.

5. Identity politics. Gender politics and CRT politics pretty much bang the drum that all white males are inherently evil. They're taught that they're irredeemable, and that seems backed by personal experience from the prior-stated factors. A lot of identity politics is great at coercing people to get on board a message, or at least be too cowed by public pressure to speak out against it, but it's also extremely harmful to those who actually believe it. Teaching black kids that our government exists to perpetuate white supremacy, and that all of their struggles are caused by racism creates a culture that cannot see any room for responsibility for their circumstances. A lot of the rhetoric and philosophy around the trans movement is deeply harmful, and leaves people feeling even more alienated and sick than ever before. Feminist ideology essentially tells women to divorce themselves from all of the things non-political people actually care about in order to embrace hedonism and materialism only to wonder why they all feel so empty and self-loathing inside and why no one wants to be around them. These philosophies are absolutely cancerous on mental well-being and create desperate people who feel like they have nothing to lose, but can be a hero to save the world.

6. Covid lockdowns. We basically removed young people from public life for two years during some of the most critical times for their social maturity. It's not difficult to see how this can have profound and lasting negative effects on people.

7. Dating apps and hookup culture. The current dating culture is incredibly toxic. Most men and most women are not getting what they want out of it as young women essentially allow themselves to be unwittingly haremed by "high-value" men. See, women tend to rate the attractiveness of men on a logarithmic scale while men rate the attractiveness of women on a standard deviation. What this means is that men find roughly 50% of women above average in attractiveness and 50% below average. Women, on the other hand, only rate 10% of men as being above average in attractiveness, about 15% as average, and 75% as below average. See, before dating apps and online dating became the norm, this didn't really matter all that much because women, in general, do not place as big of an emphasis on looks as they do personality and confidence. However, on dating apps, there's not really much room for evaluating personality and confidence while swiping. So, users are only evaluating their potential partners based on physical attractiveness. What this results in is a huge percentage of women all trying to date exclusively that top 10% of men whom they all see as "above average". These men are willing to f&%k the top roughly 20-30% of women, but have zero incentive to ever settle down with them. So, they essentially keep them in harems, just constantly screwing around. The women never see reason to lower their standards because these guys are still giving them attention, making them think they have a chance. The next 20-30% of women are chasing after the 15% of men that are seen as "about average" and settling down with them. However, there's not enough guys in the top 25% of men to marry the top 40-50% of women. If a guy isn't in the top 25%, women don't even bother swiping on them at all. They get nothing. So, women get treated as commodities, used, and discarded by guys who have no interest in settling down while most guys get zero swipes and never meet a partner. As a result, this generation is having less sex than any prior to the sexual revolution. The longer guys go without seeing any chance at sex or a meaningful relationship, the weirder they get.

8. Hard drugs. Meth, fentanyl, and all nature of hard drugs are everywhere right now. Addiction can do terrible things to people.

9. Federal Law Enforcement/Intelligence Agencies. It has been proven that the CIA identifies potential agents and informants through the use of employed therapists. It has been proven that the FBI not only infiltrates terrorist groups in order to monitor them, but actually manufactures and leads terrorists groups in order to entrap people into committing terrorist acts that the FBI can then thwart. I fully believe that these agencies are using therapists to identify unstable individuals whom they can groom and manipulate into committing these acts of terrorism. These agencies use these acts of terrorism to promote domestic policies that would increase their budgets and powers.

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Collapse of the family. Feminist movement decrying “toxic masculinity”. A lack of positive male role models. Kids being put on psychotropic medication at a young age before brain development is complete. Collapsing moral standards and celebration of an alienating materialistic culture. Rampant substance abuse.

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This absolutely 100% sums up these entire active shooter situations we have now. The cultural rot in this society is disturbing to say the least.

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Fathers are needed. So is strong moral teaching from both the church and parents

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While I agree, Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine shooters, by all accounts grew up going to church with a loving family and involved parents.

Unfortunately, there aren't one-size-fits-all explanations or solutions for these people. There have been studies which actually suggest psychopathy is mostly hereditary, so sometimes a bad seed might simply be that.

1 answer, Social Media

Social media.

Most of us view social media as entertainment. But there are some people who treat social media as real life.

To those who treat social media as real life, if they are white males, Twitter,Instagram, reddit and Facebook probably look like hell on earth where the entire world seems to be against them and wants them to die. That kind of shite probably plays a role in some of those people going ballistic and losing their minds to hate.


I wish everyone would just treat social media as entertainment and not let it affect who they are as a person..

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"Dating" apps allow women to form harems around the top 15% of men, like they generally did in the stone-age.

Most men don't stand a chance of procreating once traditional society breaks down, which it has.

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This is about 90% of the issue. All the other amateur psychologists on here are spinning wheels.

There is a population of man that has almost no chance of having women attracted to him. Liberals love to try to focus the entire discussion on just "expecting sex" but ignore the deeper issues (as you'd expect). Companionship, romantic love, all the things that are good about the dating/courting process, etc. are effectively denied to this population entirely.

This population is a much bigger one than this board imagines, and it has nothing to do with "playing on the internet" or anything like that. This is just a mathematical equation where 20-40% of the male population is excluded, regardless of their behavior, hobbies, etc.

Online culture and social media cultivate these absurd caricatures of reality. It exacerbates certain bad traits and turns them into things to “embrace” and creates these fake social groups based on weird traits in safe spaces where these people can’t be bullied for these things. Bullying sucks, but the truth is that a certain amount of bullying molds people in our society to conform to social norms and buffs out these un-desireable traits

Not sure why this thread went so far against feminism. I’m not saying it’s not a contributing factor, but the prevalence of dating apps like Tinder and Bumble have created a false market share for women in dating. Those female 3s and 4s get an occasional attention from a desperate male 7, therefore they think they are a 7 themselves, and restrict themselves to 7s. And women can go a lot longer in between so they’ll hang around and complain and wait for another 7 to come around. And since it’s all online and these women are getting tons of requests from people on their level, they ignore everyone on their level and wait for the slim pickings, rather than giving a chance to guys that would have a chance in previous culture but not current. This is less feminism and more of an indictment of our online culture - and the online culture is the root of our issues for sure

Men had been able to do similar things in the past to a lesser extent. Faking wealth or success being a great example of a man increasing his market share to cover more women - but men use that to increase their dating range, not decrease it like women are now

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but the prevalence of dating apps like Tinder and Bumble have created a false market share for women in dating.

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Exactly. It's pretty much this.

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This is less feminism and more of an indictment of our online culture - and the online culture is the root of our issues for sure

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Yeah it gets really bad in college, too, b/c of the sex imbalance. When you have a population of more women than men, men become more valued and women have to share. This reinforces that whole philosophy about accepting that you won't get a man to yourself, which lets the carousel keep spinning after college.

If you're below the average, as a male, you have very little hope of getting female attention, let alone having female attraction (which is a requirement for any future steps). That means not only no sex, but no romance, companionship, etc. and there is nothing most of these guys can do.

The best most of these guys can hope for is if they're a 4-5 they may be able to do some things (working out, dressing nicer, figuring out how to be slightly more interesting, etc.) to get into the 6-7 range, so they can hope to troll the bottom of the barrel every now and again.