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re: Why do politicians treat teachers so dismissively? Are they worried students will learn?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:08 pm to Timeoday
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:08 pm to Timeoday
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These people called our teachers have a far greater effect upon society than any other government employee, yet they get financial crumbs for such effect.
Teachers agree to get “financial crumbs” when they sign a collective bargaining agreement where they’re paid based on the performance of the worst among them who, for practical purposes, cannot be fired absent serious malfeasance.
In Missouri, our public school teachers have a phenomenal retirement where they can make as much take home pay in retirement as they made during teaching after roughly 25 years. And most salary schedules aren’t bad.
Am example: a starting teacher at Rockwood Summit makes $47k. A teacher in the same district with 20 years experience and a masters degree +30 hours makes $83k.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:15 pm
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:11 pm to Long and Tall
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Look, another glorified baby sitter begging for a raise.
I'm walking out to vote against anything involving money for a school district in ten minutes. Early voting rocks, and teachers will always beg for more $. And this is in one of the richest districts in Texas.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:15 pm to Timeoday
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These people called our teachers have a far greater effect upon society than any other government employee
This is pretty accurate. Those among them who went extremely to the Left and worked with the DOE and Teachers Unions to "adjust" curriculum, created a national government funded indoctrination machine that gave us the overwhelmingly civics-illiterate Millennial generation.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:17 pm to Timeoday
The teachers union is a big time political player. With that comes criticism.
And many teachers act as activists in the classroom.
There’s pushback from the right on that and rightly so. I don’t think anybody has an issue with good teachers.
And many teachers act as activists in the classroom.
There’s pushback from the right on that and rightly so. I don’t think anybody has an issue with good teachers.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:24 pm to Timeoday
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My point is, the teacher is a very important part of an average person's life yet is paid less than almost all government workers.
Teaching attracts many women who value having time off work for holidays and summers, when their kids are out of school.
There is also a low barrier to entry, compared to many other careers requiring degrees. You can graduate with a 2.0 from a shitty school and get a job as a teacher.
Nothing will change unless you get rid of those things.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:51 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
So you are saying we are allowing very unqualified people to work as teachers?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:58 pm to Timeoday
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So you are saying we are allowing very unqualified people to work as teachers?
I'm just saying the qualifications are low.
So, you can't have:
1. Low qualifications
2. 5 million positions
And expect premium salaries.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:23 pm to Da #1 Stunna
I support teachers in inner city schools indoctrinating kids
If they get some of those kids to troon out maybe they’ll stop having so many kids of their own
If they get some of those kids to troon out maybe they’ll stop having so many kids of their own
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:34 pm to Timeoday
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So you are saying we are allowing very unqualified people to work as teachers?
We are qualifying people based on college degrees and teaching certificates which have low correlation with an ability to actually perform well in a classroom.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:38 pm to Timeoday
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Teachers have that much impact in and upon our lives, yet they are treated very dismissively.
Most of my teachers were utterly forgettable. Only few in a lifetime made a difference. For most, its just a job where they go through the motions. We romanticize the profession in movies and TV too much, when people like Jaime Escalante are rarities, not at all common.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:46 pm to Timeoday
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How many teachers do you remember?
Pretty much all of them, just most of them not in a good way.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:04 pm to Timeoday
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So you are saying we are allowing very unqualified people to work as teachers?
Education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores. They also graduate overwhelmingly from less selective colleges.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:12 pm to Zach
Even Centenary has changed, big time, over the years.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:14 pm to Timeoday
frick modern day teachers. Give them a pay decrease for all I care.
My teachers in the 90s, actually taught me the topics they were hired to teach and never tried to force agendas down my throat. Fast forward 20 years and schools i went to are now loaded with woke assholes. My nephew went to same middle and high schools i went to, and the underlying theme over his several years there was how oppressed certain people are, and how privileged other people are.
My teachers in the 90s, actually taught me the topics they were hired to teach and never tried to force agendas down my throat. Fast forward 20 years and schools i went to are now loaded with woke assholes. My nephew went to same middle and high schools i went to, and the underlying theme over his several years there was how oppressed certain people are, and how privileged other people are.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:38 pm to Timeoday
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Even Centenary has changed, big time, over the years.
Yeah, a barrista at Starbucks who saw my Centenary shirt told me that's where she just graduated. I was suspicious and asked her major. It was theater/arts. That explained her job.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:47 pm to LegendInMyMind
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We pay teachers so poorly despite the fact that they spend more waking hours with our children than we do. Think about that. Teachers are shite on all the time, few value the job they do in 2025, and too many are content with what they make to do that job. Teachers have more contact and direct interaction with the average child than most parents.
Yes.
Their main job is babysitting for parents. Babysitters usually don't make a lot of money.
For probably half of them, their second priority is grooming and indoctrinating in LGBTQ sex and encouraging students to be gay and trans. Third priority is indoctrinating in intersectionality and anti-whiteness.
They get to actually educating after all that's done. And the problem is that that is never done.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Teaching attracts many women who value having time off work for holidays and summers, when their kids are out of school.
That's what nobody ever mentions.
Teachers get what...16 weeks vacation every year? Something like that.
It's not a full time job. It's a 3/4 time job. They get paid accordingly.
EDIT: And before someone says, "Well, they grade papers at home at night and on weekends," they do NOT take work home more often than their private sector counterparts in middle management. Studies have shown that to not be the case.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 5:15 pm to Timeoday
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These people called our teachers have a far greater effect upon society than any other government employee, yet they get financial crumbs for such effect.
Really...
My teachers had near zero positive impact on me.
It was one mediocre half caring middle aged person after another.
People who were petty and had favorites.
Most of my classmates are very not successful.
Some overdosed after dropping out.
When I got to college, my professors were much better. Actually intelligent people who often cared.
Better Private schools also tend to have better teachers.
But lower tier schools... They aren't leaving the rosy picture you have.
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Why are we not taking care of the the person we call "my teacher" who have such a positive impact upon our lives?
Because they never existed.
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How many teachers do you remember?
Several, none in any significantly positive way.
Great that you had this great relationship with your teacher, but many of us did not.
No teacher can have a class of 20 and not ignore or hate 50% of the class.
Females and more feminine boys typically have better relationships with teachers, I'm sure they loved you.
But many of us don't have that devotion to a class of people that are no better than anyone else overall.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 5:20 pm to Timeoday
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These people called our teachers have a far greater effect upon society than any other government employee
And depending on where your kids go to school, this is frightening. Thank God your kids aren’t in the Loudon or Fairfax County school district. Those “teachers” believe they have more of a right to your children than you do. And every act they make is to groom them.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 5:22 pm to LegendInMyMind
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that they spend more waking hours with our children than we do.
Kid is with his teacher for roughly four hours per day, assuming it’s elementary school and the kid has no special classes. 180 days a year. That’s 720 hours per year.
Or just under 2 hours per day.
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