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re: Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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If we can siphon manufacturing from China into Central America, it will be a huge benefit for the American economy and its population.
Agreed but apparently some American companies prefer to manufacture in China instead of Latin America. There’s definitely a more sophisticated supply chain in China. Also China has much more skilled labor which is important in tech manufacturing at that scale
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:48 am to NPComb
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Here is what my research showed me:
Oh! but I was told all these illegals are extremely hard working and pay lots of taxes.
I would like to see some stats on how much they actually contribute vs the costs of keeping them here.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 12:07 pm to jimmy the leg
I'm not seeing any talk from the Trumpistas about welfare reform and the like. It's always focus on keeping immigrants put.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:02 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Immigration in gumballs
Yes, but this is a dumb video from what I can remember.
Countries don't accept immigration out of charity on the whole but out of economic need.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:11 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
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That's why Republican politicians no longer want or desire an endorsement from the national Chamber of Commerce. For years an endorsement from them was a big deal, but now an endorsement from the Chamber of Commerce equates to "open borders."
Keep up, the US Chamber of Commerce is allied with the LWO DC Uniparty political machine….that’s currently being run by the Dim party. The Republican Party is now the party of the middle class/working class,
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Many developed countries are forecasting large deficits of working age adults as compared to retirees, which poses significant and unpredictable stability challenges both socially and economically.
That's the logical conclusion of policies that encourage women to put off children until they're secure in their careers (age 35+) and it's much, much harder to conceive and also much, much more likely to have a child with mental handicaps. But in the meantime, they're also encouraged to murder their kids lest they interfere with career goals.
60+ million Americans are missing.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:17 pm to Turbeauxdog
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But manufacturing is only offshored to the extent that it is because of government artificially penalizing the cost of domestic manufacturing/subsidizing offshore manufacturing.
I don't think, post-Covid, this claim can be made anymore.
These jobs are worth well less than minimum wage and minimum wage today is more what it was originally intended to be, because private wages for lower-level jobs have increased so much post-Covid.
Paying a Chinese or Central American $1/hour is tough to beat domestically when the baseline is probably $20-25/hour now.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:18 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
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Sgt Tuffnuts
Another obtuse "moderate".
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:18 pm to Turbeauxdog
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This isn't even close to true.
Taxing producers by making them pay more to subsidize wages of bad decision makers is redistribution, basically welfare.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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These jobs are worth well less than minimum wage and minimum wage today is more what it was originally intended to be, because private wages for lower-level jobs have increased so much post-Covid
For some manufacturing this is true, but I doubt that sector represents even half of offshored manufacturing by value. Consider all the pharmaceutical/intermediates manufacturing done in China. It's not the cost of labor that offshored that work.
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Paying a Chinese or Central American $1/hour is tough to beat domestically when the baseline is probably $20-25/hour now.
Leave Central American out of it. The cost of manufacturing in Asia -v- the US for high value products is much closer than you may realize. Some chip manufacturers have labor on level between most of Asia and the US.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 4:17 pm to Klark Kent
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i think you are confused on what an immigrant is vs an illegal alien
People that say shite like this have never experienced the immigration system in the US and how absurdly hard it is to come here and how absurdly long it takes.
It ought to be easy for a foreign worker to come here, pay taxes, and not become a citizen.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 4:29 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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LINK
Immigration in gumballs
That's interesting at all
But immigration is to benefit the U.S. not to help the 3rd world
Posted on 12/30/22 at 5:07 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I'm not seeing any talk from the Trumpistas about welfare reform and the like. It's always focus on keeping immigrants put.
Would you like for us to stay on topic or digress to “welfare reform”? I can definitely touch base on that if you would like.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 5:14 pm to David_DJS
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Some chip manufacturers
I'm talking low-level manufacturing only.
Clearly with the costs of disruption, we can produce chips domestically comparable to their real cost (salary + transport + risk) manufactured abroad. We learned that in 2020-2021.
Low-level manufacturing? Naw.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Taxing producers by making them pay more to subsidize wages of bad decision makers is redistribution, basically welfare.
Taxing domestic labor / subsidizing offshore labor is what?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:41 pm to Stealth Matrix
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60+ million Americans are missing.
Meh I think we have enough already
What I’m wondering about this topic, is how much are the taxes on the Mexican money leaving our country? I have no problem making it onerous to send money abroad with taxes. That would decrease the amount that goes away and keep it in the US
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:36 am to Nawlens Gator
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They drag down our public education.
Texas and California, despite being the two richest states in the union, score very low in education. There's a reason for that. The FedGov keeps dropping the illegals in our states.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:15 pm to foosball
The shift is slowly happening. We should have worked to do this decades ago. Mexico and Central America are much closer for shipping. We have much more influence over these countries. It would GREATLY reduce immigration into our country if there are jobs and opportunities in their own countries. We should not demonize moving manufacturing to Latin America, we should be encouraging it and assisting in developing the worker skillsets.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think, post-Covid, this claim can be made anymore.
OSHA and the EPA get dissolved during covid?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:07 am to Turbeauxdog
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OSHA and the EPA get dissolved during covid?
Wages skyrocketed, then inflation is causing them to go up more.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:07 am
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