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re: Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:21 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:21 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Let's talk about education. It costs 12,000 dollars a year to educate a child in public schools. It costs even more when the children don't speak English and require English language learner instruction. Add to that the cost of interpreters for their parents who must receive communications in their native language if they are not proficient in English. Most illegals will never pay enough taxes to cover the cost of education let alone the other services they use.
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:26 pm to dgnx6
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It also hurts the young black kid looking for work.
I get your point, but if I'm an employer and I have a choice I'm taking a Mexican or Central American over a black kid every time.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:29 pm to dyslexiateechur
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Nearly every dollar earned by undocumented immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by undocumented immigrant activities within the US.[17][18][19] The U.S. government continues to stop immigration from Mexico even though it has done harm on wages in a number of industries. Immigrants have helped the U.S. tremendously and have created jobs for Americans and immigrants. Studies have shown that they contributed 2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and have contributed 458.7 billion to federal taxes.[20][21]
Seems paying 100 billion for schools might be worth it.
Here is what my research showed me:
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Data compilled from Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security reports indicate:
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and Federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for
the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for
the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those illegal births were paid by the American taxpayers.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:32 pm to 225Tyga
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In reality they are working and filling voided positions due to Americans being paid by the government and rewarded for choosing not to work.
Which is why many more will be necessary in the future, as Americans see themselves above low wage jobs.
In theory, migration slows or reverses in times of economic slowdowns in the USA as it has a few times in the past. It should be more self regulating. Govt incentives have messed the market up however.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If people want to stop illegal immigration from Central America, we need to invest in Central America.
Yes. We can send them books and instructions on how to farm and negotiate imports/exports. How is that for an investment? What more do they need?
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It worked with Mexico. NAFTA destroyed illegal immigration from Mexico, basically.
So why aren't the central Americans stopping and staying in booming Mexico. Also, why aren't the Hondurans, Guatemalans, etc... moving to South America instead of the US? We are the land of racists, bigots, oppressors, and xenophobes. Why on earth do they want to come here?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:47 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
First illegals don’t pay taxes because they are usually getting paid under the table. But they do use services that are tax funded such as government funded state run emergency rooms.
Secondly, they send a lot of what they earn to relatives in Mexico. Money leaving our economy is not a good thing.
Secondly, they send a lot of what they earn to relatives in Mexico. Money leaving our economy is not a good thing.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If people want to stop illegal immigration from Central America, we need to invest in Central America.
News flash, we’ve been pouring in billions to those countries for decades, and they’re still corrupt and inept as they’ve ever been
Hilarious that we’re giving aid to poor countries while we post yearly trillion dollar deficits
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:54 pm to 225Tyga
Taking jobs? Low paying jobs that people refuse to work for these days? I hear people bitching about nobody wants to work because they are "woke socialists"(Home Depot Owner just said that) yet you don't want to let in immigrants who are going to work those jobs for less pay. They keep the country running like it or not. Roofing, Concrete, Builders, Restaurant staff/cooks, cleaning/housekeeping, hotels, landscapers etc etc.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:00 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
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Around here I'd take either. Even if they put their kids in the public schools and don't pay taxes, the public schools here couldn't possibly get any shittier, and plus at least the parents will be willing to work!
I think most people coming across the border wants what most people want, a better and safer life for their family and the are willing to work to have that life.
Its a complex situation and we can't just allow illegal aliens to set up shop because people should be citizens, but I do think we should be more welcoming because the fact is they do jobs Americans are not willing to do. Of course there are some who couldn't live in America permanently because they are not making enough.
I see it every year during sugarcane season. A bunch of them come on temp visas, they are put in small homes with about 7 or 8 living in each one, they go shop at the local Walmart every Friday after work and then send the rest of the money home.
We do have a worker shortage in this country and a lot of them coming from Mexico or South America have a better work ethic than most Americans so I think we should find away to bring some of these folks in smaller towns, but like I said, its a complex issue.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:12 pm to YNWA
If politicians were serious about stopping illegal immigration, they would make it a serious crime to hire illegals, and law enforcement agencies and prosecutors would go after employers as hard as they go after drugs now.
If a chicken plant, restaurant, ranch, or little old lady needing yard work knowingly hires an illegal (require the e-verification system be used), they should face huge fines and prison time.
Yet it seldom happens. The feds will raid a plant, but the management rarely faces serious repercussion. George W Bush was raiding a few meat plants, but congressmen for the districts (including Republicans) screamed that he was killing the local economy, so he backed off.
That they don’t prosecute the employers shows that all the sabre rattling about cracking down on illegals is just trying to score points against opponents. How many employers have the Texas governor and AG locked up? How many occupational licenses have they revoked because an employer knowingly hired illegals? I bet the number is close to zero.
If a chicken plant, restaurant, ranch, or little old lady needing yard work knowingly hires an illegal (require the e-verification system be used), they should face huge fines and prison time.
Yet it seldom happens. The feds will raid a plant, but the management rarely faces serious repercussion. George W Bush was raiding a few meat plants, but congressmen for the districts (including Republicans) screamed that he was killing the local economy, so he backed off.
That they don’t prosecute the employers shows that all the sabre rattling about cracking down on illegals is just trying to score points against opponents. How many employers have the Texas governor and AG locked up? How many occupational licenses have they revoked because an employer knowingly hired illegals? I bet the number is close to zero.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:18 pm to SCLibertarian
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I get your point, but if I'm an employer and I have a choice I'm taking a Mexican or Central American over a black kid every time.
Well I got that from Thomas Sowell. I assume in his younger days he felt differently then was doing the research and was like oh, this is having unintended negative consequences.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:18 pm to 225Tyga
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In reality they are working and filling voided positions due to Americans being paid by the government and rewarded for choosing not to work.
They’re not taking jobs from people that don’t want them. They’re taking jobs away from Americans. They’re taking work away from licensed contractors, for sure. Certainly you’ve been to Home Depot.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:19 pm to YNWA
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Taking jobs? Low paying jobs that people refuse to work for these days? I hear people bitching about nobody wants to work because they are "woke socialists"(Home Depot Owner just said that) yet you don't want to let in immigrants who are going to work those jobs for less pay. They keep the country running like it or not. Roofing, Concrete, Builders, Restaurant staff/cooks, cleaning/housekeeping, hotels, landscapers etc etc.
Stop paying people to not work. Lower the taxes as you no longer have to pay them. People can now afford the higher wages as they are keeping more of their own money.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:20 pm to SulphursFinest
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I don’t blame anyone for wanting to leave Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, or Louisiana.
First, Mexicans aren’t the ones coming anymore. And the worst of them all are leaving their homeland, Californians.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:25 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
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Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?
There is an absolute need for migrant labor in this country. However, the flow of migrant labor must be regulated to prevent undocumented migrants from undermining the manual trades by flooding the labor market with workers who will work for substandard wages.
The real problem is US employers who want uncontrolled migrant labor to exploit to undercut the wage demands of American workers. That creates the economic incentive to come here and makes the uncontrolled flow a profit center for both the migrants and the US employers. That is the situation that must be addressed to change the situation.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:30 pm to dyslexiateechur
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Seems paying 100 billion for schools might be worth it.
Well that money goes to the non workers and currently Ukraine.
The federal government is the single largest health payer. 90 million people.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:44 pm to TBoy
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The real problem is US employers who want uncontrolled migrant labor to exploit to undercut the wage demands of American workers. That creates the economic incentive to come here and makes the uncontrolled flow a profit center for both the migrants and the US employers. That is the situation that must be addressed to change the situation.
This might be true in some industries but in others they do rather the Hispanic worker and willing to pay more to keep them in a competitive market because of the work ethic. So minimum wage is $7.25, you ain’t keeping a good worker at that.
I’d say good luck undercutting wages.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:14 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Who says they all work? I see plenty of them begging for cash at intersections, grocery stores, etc.
Can't put into words how much I despise them.
Can't put into words how much I despise them.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:21 pm to Roaad
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Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?Massive strain of social servicesquote:And also immigrants are way more likely to be producers than your average American.And to stay on the welfare roles, while working cash jobs.
Good points. Also, our economy is built on having goods and services paid for with the money earned, thus keeping the system rolling. Illegals, at least Hispanic, send a sizable portion of their income to their home countries expanding their economy and shrinking ours.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:24 pm to KAHog
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send a sizable portion of their income to their home countries expanding their economy and shrinking ours.
They send money home - but they also buy a lot of food & clothes. They’re caught up in the culture with the name brand shoes and clothes as well. The women buy a lot of junk for themselves and their kids, too.
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