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re: Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?

Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:52 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts

Posted by kingbob

Sorrento, LA

Member since Nov 2010

67214 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:52 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts

Holds down wages, stresses municipal services

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Posted by SulphursFinest

Lafayette

Member since Jan 2015

8782 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:57 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts

Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
U

Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
V

Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Y

Yemen
Z

Zambia
Zimbabwe

Out of all of these, I’ll bold my favorite in the following list.

Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
U

Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
V

Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Y

Yemen
Z

Zambia
Zimbabwe

Out of all these, I’ll bold my favorite in the following list

Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
U

Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
V

Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Y

Yemen
Z

Zambia
Zimbabwe

Out of all of these, I’ll bold my favorite in the following list.

Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
U

Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
V

Vanuatu
Vatican City
Venezuela
Vietnam
Y

Yemen
Z

Zambia
Zimbabwe

This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 5:59 pm

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Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts

Middle Georgia

Member since Jul 2022

2095 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:01 pm to kingbob

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Holds down wages, stresses municipal services

Fair enough! I honestly never considered the wage and employee compensation component.

This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 6:02 pm

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Posted by Nawlens Gator

louisiana

Member since Sep 2005

5839 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:02 pm to Tantal

I don't want my tax dollars providing welfare to illegal aliens. They drag down our public education. They need to rise up and fix their own governments like our forefathers did. Parasites Sucking our blood.

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Posted by Draconian Sanctions

Markey's bar

Member since Oct 2008

84893 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:07 pm to Turbeauxdog

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Millions of unskilled laborers are not protecting us from anything. Only eroding the middle class and creating social unrest.

This is factually inaccurate

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Posted by TejasHorn

High Plains Driftin'

Member since Mar 2007

10991 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:07 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts

It’s an odd topic politically. Democrats have traditionally been very pro labor and unions, while republicans are pro business. Cheap labor is great for business and bad for wages to be very obvious.

In terms of macro economics and GDP they have traditionally been a significant net positive. But what we see more of nowadays is not Mexican male laborers, but rather families and refugees. You can bet that things are pretty bad to pack up the family and walk to the border from Guatemala amidst the elements, cartels, and other dangers.

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Posted by greygoose

Member since Aug 2013

11468 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:15 pm to Tiger Prawn

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They can’t legally work in the US, so they can only work under the table. Employers take advantage of it and pay the illegal immigrant worker less than they’d have to pay a citizen or legal resident…thus depressing wages for citizens and legal residents. The employer dodges payroll taxes and the illegal employee isn’t paying income taxes, increasing the burden on those of us who pay taxes along with straining state and local budgets for public services that those illegals utilize.

That's just part of it. They call the IRS, get an EIN over the phone, file a tax return and claim 15 kids and get a "refund" check on taxes they never paid. Don't believe me? Google "Earned Income Credit" and how many checks get sent directly to Mexico.

Illegal immigration is a massive drain on the system, and far outweighs any benefit of the labor they provide.

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Posted by RTRinTampa

Central FL

Member since Jan 2013

5532 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:15 pm to TejasHorn

The fact that you think they are "walking" from Guatemala to our borders tells me you don't have a clue about geography or reality. They are being brought here.

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Posted by chalmetteowl

Chalmette

Member since Jan 2008

47822 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:18 pm to Nado Jenkins83

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Also we are encouraging the hard workers to abandon their own countries where they might create a real change for the better

my grandparents fled to Metairie from New Orleans in the 70s… basically the same thing

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Posted by deltaland

Member since Mar 2011

90885 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:19 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts

If we didn’t have a gigantic welfare state and were a true free market economy that allows the free movement of labor and competition for wages, it wouldn’t be bad. Immigrant labor would come based on demand.

That’s not the case and our system is taking care of these illegals with taxpayer money all while not allowing companies to hire them. So it’s a drain on resources

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Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts

Middle Georgia

Member since Jul 2022

2095 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:21 pm to TejasHorn

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It’s an odd topic politically. Democrats have traditionally been very pro labor and unions, while republicans are pro business. Cheap labor is great for business and bad for wages to be very obvious.

That's why Republican politicians no longer want or desire an endorsement from the national Chamber of Commerce. For years an endorsement from them was a big deal, but now an endorsement from the Chamber of Commerce equates to "open borders."

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Posted by Turbeauxdog

Member since Aug 2004

23279 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions

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This is factually inaccurate

Hahahaha.

Sure clownshow.

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Posted by White Bear

Yonnygo

Member since Jul 2014

14035 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:22 pm to deltaland

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our system is taking care of these illegals with taxpayer money all while not allowing companies to hire them. So it’s a drain on resources

for votes and ultimate control, and to destroy the middle class and freedom.

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Posted by greygoose

Member since Aug 2013

11468 posts

Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:25 pm to Nawlens Gator

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I don't want my tax dollars providing welfare to illegal aliens. They drag down our public education. They need to rise up and fix their own governments like our forefathers did. Parasites Sucking our blood.

Yep. Here in Alabama, property taxes go to fund public education. Just an example, a Pelham, AL elementary school has 3 ESL teachers. That's at least $120K/year just in wages, being diverted away from the tax-paying citizen's children at that one school.

Had to go to an emergency room lately?

Even better, my SIL is a L&D nurse. Pregnant illegal shows up at the hospital about to pop. No prenatal care, no insurance, doesn't speak English. Runs up thousands in medical bills that the hospital will never see a cent of.