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re: Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:42 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:42 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
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And also immigrants are way more likely to be producers than your average American.
It’s not 1980 anymore. This isn’t even remotely true. They come here for the litany of free stuff and social programs we offer them. We need more low iq uneducated unskilled Illegal Immigrants about as much as I need a scorching case of hemorrhoids. The idea that we ‘need’ these people is the biggest lie ever told. See what Illegal Immigrants have done to public schools, hospital emergency rooms etc as to how many resources they drain.
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:43 am to chalmetteowl
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They all moved to Kenner
Kenner has gone downhill.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:45 am to NPComb
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We can send them books and instructions on how to farm and negotiate imports/exports. How is that for an investment?
Bad.
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What more do they need?
Right now? Safe (from gangs) sweatshops. Move lower-level manufacturing from China to Central America.
They can hopefully work their way up the manufacturing ladder in a generation or two.
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So why aren't the central Americans stopping and staying in booming Mexico.
Just because the Mexican economy in 2022 is better than 1972 doesn't mean they can account for all of these illegals. I mean our economy faces issues from these people and we're a lot bigger/stronger than Mexico.
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Also, why aren't the Hondurans, Guatemalans, etc... moving to South America instead of the US?
Opportunity.
IF you had to choose between moving to Canada or Panama, which would you pick?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:47 am to foosball
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News flash, we’ve been pouring in billions to those countries for decades, and they’re still corrupt and inept as they’ve ever been
I didn't say send governmental aid.
We need to build sweatshops.
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Hilarious that we’re giving aid to poor countries while we post yearly trillion dollar deficits
If we can siphon manufacturing from China into Central America, it will be a huge benefit for the American economy and its population. Prices will remain low (possibly lower) and we will thwart illegal immigration from Central America (and all the costs that come with it). We will also strengthen our continent with stronger, more developed economies.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:51 am to WinnPtiger
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the ineptitude of the central american citizenry is not our problem
I mean this thread shows that it is
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:53 am to LaMotta
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It’s not 1980 anymore. This isn’t even remotely true.
Correct.
Its a problem we created, it shouldn't exist.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:54 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Catholic church is heavily involved.
Iirc, some (most?) of the “Catholic charities” bringing in illegals aren’t associated with the church.
Then again, with the Commie Pope, it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that the church is involved.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:07 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
And I thought your sports takes were stupid? Your political takes make your sports takes look like a scholar wrote them
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:13 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Good Lord you are stupid, “closing” the border to illegal immigrants doesn’t mean you are closing the border to trade goods or stifling the economy. You should probably just stop talking
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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If we can siphon manufacturing from China into Central America, it will be a huge benefit for the American economy and its population. Prices will remain low (possibly lower) and we will thwart illegal immigration from Central America (and all the costs that come with it). We will also strengthen our continent with stronger, more developed economies.
Then everyone's welfare checks will cover their Walmart bills and everyone will be happy.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:34 am to Turbeauxdog
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Then everyone's welfare checks will cover their Walmart bills and everyone will be happy.
That manufacturing is going to be in some developing nation. Would you rather that be China or Honduras, Mexico, etc.?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Would you rather that be China or Honduras, Mexico, etc.?
Easy. Put it in our back yard.
If the SHTF we can always drive down there and pick up the goods.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:44 am to TrueTiger
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Easy. Put it in our back yard
Not economically feasible. You'd just be replacing one welfare with another, IF you could even make it that economically palatable.
Redistributing income from our current working population to give to a population of bad decision-makers is not efficient, whether it's via "welfare" or higher prices.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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a population of bad decision-makers
This is the U.S. more and more.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:01 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
You seem to fail to understand the economic drain they present.
- First they consume more than they put into the systems. Estimates say that 60% of illegals get some type of government entitlement (funny word for a non-citizen).
- Second those entitlements are estimated to be ~$75B to ~$100B annually.
- Thirdly, they strain other systems such as needing ESL instructors in schools and expand class sizes.
- Fourth, they send a vast majority of their earning back to their home countries. It is estimated that renumerations are the the #3 largest contributor to Mexico’s GDP. Funny how the government adds 87K IRS agents to crack down on citizens but won’t crack down on this.
So as you see they are not adding to the economy. They are actually taking from the economy. Now if you want to fix this create a system for work VISAs, tax renumerations and ensure that there is just one pathway to citizenship that doesn’t include illegally coming to the United States.
- First they consume more than they put into the systems. Estimates say that 60% of illegals get some type of government entitlement (funny word for a non-citizen).
- Second those entitlements are estimated to be ~$75B to ~$100B annually.
- Thirdly, they strain other systems such as needing ESL instructors in schools and expand class sizes.
- Fourth, they send a vast majority of their earning back to their home countries. It is estimated that renumerations are the the #3 largest contributor to Mexico’s GDP. Funny how the government adds 87K IRS agents to crack down on citizens but won’t crack down on this.
So as you see they are not adding to the economy. They are actually taking from the economy. Now if you want to fix this create a system for work VISAs, tax renumerations and ensure that there is just one pathway to citizenship that doesn’t include illegally coming to the United States.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:08 am to TejasHorn
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In terms of macro economics and GDP they have traditionally been a significant net positive. But what we see more of nowadays is not Mexican male laborers, but rather families and refugees. You can bet that things are pretty bad to pack up the family and walk to the border from Guatemala amidst the elements, cartels, and other dangers.
Who would believe their lying eyes?……
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TejasHorn
Ahhh, a brainwashed Austinite
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:31 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
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Why are immigrants sneaking past the Mexican border bad from an economics standpoint?
Here’s typical Dim/Prog pretzel logic….
“We have to allow millions of illegal immigrants into the country to make up the shortage of labor because we’ve murdered tens of millions of our own children.”
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:38 am to Rip Torn
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“closing” the border to illegal immigrants doesn’t mean you are closing the border to trade goods or stifling the economy.
The average American is pretty uninformed and definitely isn't capable of formulating ideas.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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That manufacturing is going to be in some developing nation. Would you rather that be China or Honduras, Mexico, etc.?
"That" is a pretty generic term.
But manufacturing is only offshored to the extent that it is because of government artificially penalizing the cost of domestic manufacturing/subsidizing offshore manufacturing.
Which is fricking insane economic policy.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not economically feasible. You'd just be replacing one welfare with another, IF you could even make it that economically palatable.
This isn't even close to true.
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