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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:03 am to Padme
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:03 am to Padme
quote:Seems so.
So the real purpose of this tread, besides people not being allowed to deviate from the subject of: people freely choosing not to do something the government is irrationally pushing
One can dole out "responsibility" in this situation to players across the board. For example, the impact of castigation on resistance psychology, as in the OP, certainly plays a negative role in vax rate.
When we address multifactorial responsibility in terms of a singular nidus though, that element should at least manifest either the most inexplicably erroneous decision or the largest causative effect. It this instance, it isn't apparent that lack of vaccination falls into either category compared with blatant incompetence of would-be respondent medical systems.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 11:05 am
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What are our values that need to be legislated?
Is it ok for a man to slap his wife around? It is in some cultures, it's not in ours. It used to be in ours, even if informally, but now it's not. There are still men who think it's their right, and they don't share that value, but we enforce it on them anyway.
That's just one but it's an endless list. We value freedom but we also value social norms, so it's not ok for you to have an orgy on the sidewalk. We value liberty but we balance that against the potential to harm others with things like speed limits. It goes on forever.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
They bear ZERO responsibility, IMO.
Hospitals are "first come, first serve"
Always have been, aways will be.
Hospitals are "first come, first serve"
Always have been, aways will be.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is 2005-2007 pre-woke Les, when we would describe the failures of the other Les (Miles) to an audience unwilling to listen.
Hahaha.
The glory days!
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:17 am to the808bass
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You mean you disagree with the general sentiments around vaccination as expressed by this board.
That statement was about a lot more than vaccinations and it went crazy long before Covid. I mean Q was about a full calendar year pre-Covid, right?
Vaccinations are a recent issue that has been politicized (not just by people on this board or their ilk. It's clearly always been politicized by Progressives).
quote:
You are arguing every person should have access to any healthcare at any time
But I'm not. This is exactly why I restricted the OP to a specific argument/situation.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:18 am to hashtag
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he wants you convicted of wrong think on this website
Do you HONESTLY think that I could "convict" a right winger of "wrong think" on THIS website?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:19 am to fisherscatfan
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Usually when someone designates someone as personally responsible, they are implying they should be held accountable in some fashion.
That doesn't require a law.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:20 am to Flats
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Is it ok for a man to slap his wife around?
I'd never do it, no. I don't need laws to prevent me from doing it.
I support self defense.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:21 am to Turbeauxdog
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Hahaha.
The glory days!
I mean going from Les to O means the glory days never ended.
It seems that people have admitted I was right about O quicker than it took them to admit I was right about Les.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:21 am to hashtag
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Now, you're turning into a Marxist and can't even recognize it. Probably
I think he recognizes it and is proud of it.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Is Joe Jorgensen an actual libertarian?
I'm libertarian
Because I’m pretty sure I disagreed with 70% of the shite she had to say and I was under the impression that I hold a sizable amount of liberation views.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:27 am to ReauxlTide222
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Is Joe Jorgensen an actual libertarian?
I have no idea I don't listen to much the LP has to say these days. I didn't vote for her.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean going from Les to O means the glory days never ended. It seems that people have admitted I was right about O quicker than it took them to admit I was right about Les.
"I'm sure there is a thread for this. This isn't it."
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:29 am to the808bass
"Secondly, public health focuses on process to almost the exclusion of outcome."
Interesting. I see how that could be, but I am not terribly knowledgeable.
Do you reject the concept of public health? At a minimum, I can say that I do not. The OP raised a good example (whether factual, hypothetical, or something in between) of how negative externalities can arise from "personal" choices.
Interesting. I see how that could be, but I am not terribly knowledgeable.
Do you reject the concept of public health? At a minimum, I can say that I do not. The OP raised a good example (whether factual, hypothetical, or something in between) of how negative externalities can arise from "personal" choices.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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That doesn't require a law.
Law? Shame? What are you proposing is the result if unvaccinated bear responsibility?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
None.
China, Fauci, NIH, WHO, and anyone that had a hand in creating this virus and releasing it on the world bear 100% of the responsibility.
Not the victims.
China, Fauci, NIH, WHO, and anyone that had a hand in creating this virus and releasing it on the world bear 100% of the responsibility.
Not the victims.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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It seems that people have admitted I was right about O quicker than it took them to admit I was right about Les.
Well.
O coached arguably the best season in college football history so I doubt anyone was "right about O" but my recollection is most people were disappointed in the hire including myself.
I hoped he could be dabo light.
But betting on a constant stream of elite coordinators isn't a winning strategy. Dabo is really lucky with venables
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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No I'm saying that if you're unvaccinated and you take up a bed that leads to a person without covid being denied service, you bear personal responsibility for that.
Quote me where I said that healthcare should be denied to an unvaccinated person.
Your whole point, then, is that unvaccinated people should feel bad for making a personal health decision that you disagree with?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:36 am to Freauxzen
"Law? Shame? What are you proposing is the result if unvaccinated bear responsibility?"
How about moral responsibility? I think that would be a wonderful place to start. For those of us who value liberty--and thereby wish to avoid authoritarian measures--a moral aversion to preventing someone else from receiving medical compare would be very helpful in convincing people to do something for the greater good.
An example is recycling. Although recycling is far from a panacea, millions in this country would faint if you tossed an aluminum can into a garbage bin. And this is so even though disposing of a can in this manner is legal.
How about moral responsibility? I think that would be a wonderful place to start. For those of us who value liberty--and thereby wish to avoid authoritarian measures--a moral aversion to preventing someone else from receiving medical compare would be very helpful in convincing people to do something for the greater good.
An example is recycling. Although recycling is far from a panacea, millions in this country would faint if you tossed an aluminum can into a garbage bin. And this is so even though disposing of a can in this manner is legal.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:54 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Do you reject the concept of public health?
No. But every practitioner of it becomes corrupted by government money (just as our virologists were).
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