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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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And that inference is incorrect and driven by groupthink and NPC responses.
Just because people of this particular mindset are primed to respond a certain way doesn't make the response correct or rational.
Now, does it seem that way to them? Yes, because they're in a cult or bubble, depending on how you want to describe them.
So the real purpose of this tread, besides people not being allowed to deviate from the subject of: people freely choosing not to do something the government is irrationally pushing(kinda libertarian)
Is to blast the board from being a bunch of group thinkers, specifically freedom loving group thinkers?
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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I was just trying to avoid NPC responses.
That an argument/response is so plainly obvious that a barely functioning person could see it/make it does not make it "NPC". Logic, bro.
Furthermore, the whole NPC meme is a way of chastising people for parroting mainstream narratives without critical thinking. I don't think it's even possible to apply it to a counter-narrative position.
Another response to your OP argument is that patients don't decide who the hospital treats or how they treat them (inpatient/outpatient/ICU bed/whatever), so the patient is not responsible for denying health care to anyone.
Triage is the responsibility of the hospital and indeed one of the basic functions of a hospital.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're at 3rd grade responses
I'm sorry if no one's ever told you "no" before, but whoever raised you did you a disservice. Declining to abide by someone else's wishes isn't really a third grade concept, it's something adults do.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:39 am to Padme
You nailed it. People who question the lack of science( read time) behind the vaccine are the group thinkers.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'll actually agree with you, to an extent, here. The right has pushed their own Christian moral "personal responsibility" via legislation for a period of time. Getting the government to ban/legislate consumption of certain "bad" goods, like alcohol, tobacco, prostitutes, etc; along with getting the government involved in religious things like having the government recognize marriage and give benefits to those who have done this religious ceremony. The "right" got the government to recognize or push these things that should have been left up to personal freedom.
When you denied that "personal responsibility" was a right-centric ideal, you invalidated anything else.
The "right" set the stage for the "left" to push their own personal choices via legislation. The problem is that you should disagree with both sides. But, you don't because you aren't a libertarian. You're a Marxist.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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The insistence on relying on NPC memes as responses shows just how far gone many of you are in terms of belief systems.
Posts npc thread. Calls his destruction npc.
2021 slow ladies and gentlemen
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:42 am to Flats
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We're at 3rd grade responses
He's trying to pretend to be superior.
There's only one person who agrees with him, and that person was 100% fully invested in the Russian Collusion fairy tale.
Your responsibility is to your family, and it ends there.
Of course the foundling prog will disagree.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
In a thread where I proposed no regulations on people,
What exactly do you want as an outcome for the unvaxxed as a result of personal responsibility?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:43 am to hashtag
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Getting the government to ban/legislate consumption of certain "bad" goods, like alcohol, tobacco, prostitutes, etc; along with getting the government involved in religious things like having the government recognize marriage and give benefits to those who have done this religious ceremony. The "right" got the government to recognize or push these things that should have been left up to personal freedom.
I think it's pretty silly to invoke a modern left/right dichotomy when discussing things that have been tenets of Western civilization for hundreds of years. Discouraging licentiousness and drunkenness and encouraging family stability is not the invention of fricking Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:44 am to fisherscatfan
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What exactly do you want as an outcome for the unvaxxed as a result of personal responsibility?
He just wants to bash those who engage in wrongthink.
Very typical, and he's totally blind to it.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:44 am to Padme
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Is to blast the board from being a bunch of group thinkers, specifically freedom loving group thinkers?
What SFP is doing mentally is similar to what boys and girls do when they first begin to distinguish that they are different than the opposite sex. They begin to vilify the opposite sex as a means of creating distinction between themselves and the opposite sex.
“Girls have cooties” is basically what SFP posted in the OP (from a psychological standpoint). His need to create psychological and ideological distance between himself and the board is personal and is likely driven by personal reasons.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:45 am to the808bass
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He has stopped responding to substantive responses
I understand your response. It's "this isn't happening"
If you don't believe this is happening, then I'm not going to try to change your mind. You may be right, but the premise of this thread requires the assumption, so there is nothing to be gained.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:45 am to hashtag
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The right has pushed their own Christian moral "personal responsibility" via legislation for a period of time.
I'll just say this once so as not to derail this spectacular self-immolation of a thread, but all laws center around morality and values. If you want laws, you want certain values enforced because you think they're important enough to use the state to do so. Whatever label you put on them, Christian morality, secular morality, Gaia morality; it doesn't change the fact that you're forcing certain actions or inactions on others who don't necessarily share your views. That's how civilizations work.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Based on your insistence that hospital policy is completely irrelevant to your point, as I continue to try and figure that point out since you likely won't ever say it plainly, how strong is your argument for morality when systems like the Texas Medical Center is sitting at 66% ICU usage, which is actually significantly lower than where they usually hover? Considering the general availability of beds in many systems, how is it out of scope to consider other high risk health behaviors that require hospital resources? Your original assertion that those other situations don't strain the system becomes moot where that is also true of covid in the majority of hospitals.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:46 am to Padme
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So the real purpose of this tread
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Is to blast the board from being a bunch of group thinkers
and NPCs
and my point was proven early and often
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:47 am to Earnest_P
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Discouraging licentiousness and drunkenness and encouraging family stability is not the invention of fricking Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
The response of the Right to the sexual and Marxist revolution in our country was a response. Not the opening salvo. Trying to keep your sons and daughters from being inculcated by the state with the morality of a barnyard somehow became the right trying to create morality.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:47 am to the808bass
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His need to create psychological and ideological distance between himself and the board is personal and is likely driven by personal reasons.
Gotcha, it is interesting.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:48 am to LNCHBOX
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You're supposedly a lawyer, right?
That profession ain't what it used to be.
And if that's him in his picture he's got a Dwight Schrute/aspy thing going on.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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I understand your response. It's "this isn't happening"
That’s a simplification and ignoring the real point.
What the OP claimed isn’t happening.
What you claimed as an evil (any inefficiency or delay in care in the system) happens every day. Every moment.
You’re arguing for a utopian healthcare system. Where ECMOs grow on trees and there’s no waiting in the waiting room.
It’s dumb.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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and my point was proven early and often
So 808 was prophetic
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