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re: Were we wrong about Iran's strike on Israel?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:14 am to POTUS2024
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:14 am to POTUS2024
Do a google map search of the Nevatim Air Base (the one that was hit). it is located in the desert area south of Jerusalem. THis is the least populated area of Israel (its a desert)
It would make since that most of the iron dome covers their population areas. and have been positioned to shoot gown incoming from the north (Syria/Hezbalah) or the SW (Hamas)
i would imagine they will position more patriot/Arrow systems defending bases from an attack from the east (Iran), especially before initiating their response attack. They are also likely working of replenishing the launchers with more rockets.
It would make since that most of the iron dome covers their population areas. and have been positioned to shoot gown incoming from the north (Syria/Hezbalah) or the SW (Hamas)
i would imagine they will position more patriot/Arrow systems defending bases from an attack from the east (Iran), especially before initiating their response attack. They are also likely working of replenishing the launchers with more rockets.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:16 am to POTUS2024
All we know is what our non credible media told us.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:17 am to Timeoday
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Sounds like Ritter is trying to sell us on the need for a more sophisticate anti-missile technology. I wonder how many checks he has cashed from companies aligned with the Military Industrial Complex?
I thought the same thing, its like the super fragilistic new missiles Russia has that we cant combat....til our decade old tech took them down in Ukraine?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:17 am to Bard
I think the key here is the billion dollars Israel spent knocking down hundred of Drones that costs about as much a a used car.
Ritters point is that a good pct of the ballistic missles got through... and were accurate.
My perspective is that Ratheon and the politicians they employ (bribe,) have produced an inferior product that doesn't work with high end misslery.
Our whole defense establishment is corrupt. The idea that a bullet can hit a bullet has been oversold .... for profits. And our ability to replenish stores of defensive mussles are inadequate.
Missles are the poor man's equalizer. Israel is a very small, densely packed country, which is very vulnerable to missle attacks.
Flying into Iran on a search and destroy mission to take out Iran's missle capabilities is a big big gamble. Iran is geographically massive.
It's not that Israel's military isn't superior. It is. But Iran has thousands and thousands of missles. And Hezbula has 30,000 rockets. One patriot missle cost 4 million dollars..
Just assuming Iran is stupid is not good strategy.
Ritters point is that a good pct of the ballistic missles got through... and were accurate.
My perspective is that Ratheon and the politicians they employ (bribe,) have produced an inferior product that doesn't work with high end misslery.
Our whole defense establishment is corrupt. The idea that a bullet can hit a bullet has been oversold .... for profits. And our ability to replenish stores of defensive mussles are inadequate.
Missles are the poor man's equalizer. Israel is a very small, densely packed country, which is very vulnerable to missle attacks.
Flying into Iran on a search and destroy mission to take out Iran's missle capabilities is a big big gamble. Iran is geographically massive.
It's not that Israel's military isn't superior. It is. But Iran has thousands and thousands of missles. And Hezbula has 30,000 rockets. One patriot missle cost 4 million dollars..
Just assuming Iran is stupid is not good strategy.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:19 am to POTUS2024
It seems plausible that this was a bit of a probing attack, an attack to gather information, more than it was an attack to destroy Israel as much as possible.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:22 am to momentoftruth87
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Iran seems mad, is it because of the lack of attention or are they really embracing to take down Israel? As they continue it’s clear they were behind the initial attack along with a few other shithead nations.
The press kind of skipped over that didnt they. The first "sovereign" country attacked was not irans "embassy" in Damascas, it was Israel where the shatheads who planned it were in the embassy so Israel responded in a very limited way.
iran escalated this shat with this latest attack. Why is the media "forgetting" the shatheads started this whole mess.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:24 am to teke184
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Iran trying a Zerg rush against Israel only works if they get a kill shot in IMHO.
I think it was initially a rush they believed would overwhelm the Iron Dome (and then they would follow it up), but when 50% of their shite failed on its own before ever getting to Israel (hell, even before getting out of Iranian airspace in some instances) they began backing down their expectations to a "well, let's see how much gets through" stance. Once other countries joined in the defense, they backed further down to "this was always no more than a response for bombing our consulate and now we're done."
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If they don’t, the Israeli response will frick then up.
We'll see. Jordan sits between Iran and Israel (so does Iraq, but they've pretty much become Iran's bitch, at least when it comes to Israel) and they have a rather large Palestinian population. That population isn't happy Jordan assisted with Israel's defense, but then King Abdullah isn't happy that Iran decided to invade their airspace with their shitty missiles and drones.
So while Jordan helped Israel, I don't see them providing access for a retaliatory strike against Iran and that makes things more difficult for Israel. Israel my take advantage of their warming relations with the Saudis (and SA's adversarial relationship with Iran) to transport, then launch a response from SA but that seems doubtful. More likely they would engage in my cyber-attacks or guerilla attacks on their nuclear facilities. In other words, there will be a response but it won't be anywhere as showy as Iran's (but likely be more impactful).
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:24 am to trinidadtiger
October 7th is sooooo 2023.
Brown people outrage is in. Its an election year after all.
Brown people outrage is in. Its an election year after all.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:25 am to Bard
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So while Jordan helped Israel, I don't see them providing access for a retaliatory strike against Iran and that makes things more difficult for Israel.
Agreed. I don't see the Jordanians opening their airspace for Israel to launch a response via aircraft or missiles, and definitely not the Saudis.
And Israel is not in the geopolitical position to piss off either of them.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:28 am to POTUS2024
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Were we wrong about Iran's strike on Israe?l
Well...
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Iran's strike was a huge success
Ok, so we've established that your opinion is that Iran's strike was a success. Based on exactly what? See below.
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Ritter did not give specifics on damage assessment and I assume he doesn't have any of that information.
So, you postulated your opinion based upon the opinion of another person who doesn't even have the data or the facts to back his assertion, and therefore is just a blind assertion based upon questionable information and conjecture?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:29 am to POTUS2024
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Iran's strike was a huge success. I gathered that, by success he primarily means that Iran showed it could penetrate Israel's air defense network, in very critical areas.
99% of the attack was completely ineffective.
Only in a Muslim country could this be considered a resounding success.
What’s also not being reported as much is that nearly half of the rockets malfunctioned on the ground or before they were shot down.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:34 am to POTUS2024
I’ve been watching the cell phone videos of all the Iranian missiles hitting their targets and wrecking shite in Israel.
Oh wait. There hasn’t been any. I’m thinking the “success” Iran achieved is akin to a three year old’s tantrum.
Hell, Iranian MiGs got out played by a US Blackhawk a couple years ago over Iraq. They aren’t all that short of the mushroom cloud inventory.
Oh wait. There hasn’t been any. I’m thinking the “success” Iran achieved is akin to a three year old’s tantrum.
Hell, Iranian MiGs got out played by a US Blackhawk a couple years ago over Iraq. They aren’t all that short of the mushroom cloud inventory.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:37 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
We heard all this in Ukraine. Russian military is shite. Russians are dumb. American Technology will prevail.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:39 am to Timeoday
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Sounds like Ritter is trying to sell us on the need for a more sophisticate anti-missile technology. I wonder how many checks he has cashed from companies aligned with the Military Industrial Complex?
Ritter IS NOT part of the military industrial complex. They kicked him out years ago.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:42 am to TBoy
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Scott Ritter is a Russian mouthpiece
There it is. If you tell the truth now days, you are a "Russian" mouthpiece.
It's funny how you leftists were so in love with Russia back in the days of the iron curtain. What changed? They are no longer commie and you guys hate them. Your globalist masters tell you who to hate and who to love. Now days Russia = Bad, Bad! Communist China = Good! Good!!
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:45 am to POTUS2024
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- Iran's strike was a huge success
Israel stated very clearly might I add, that their Iron Dome intercepted 99% of the drones and missiles. And the ones that got through did not do any damage.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:11 am to Geronimo
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What are you talking about? They had missiles get through, they just didn't target anything. Any AD system can be overwhelmed, no matter how good it is.
Ok, fair enough. I was being hyperbolic. My point remains the same. Not a gold fish chance in hell of 70%. Getting through.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:14 am to POTUS2024
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Iran launched just a handful of missiles at this site, and most got through. (5 of 7 iirc)
Are we going to talk about the leading edge of a hundred+ drones that were to overwhelm the Iron Dome, drawing the initial response?
That drags their batting average down considerably when accurately factored in.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:17 am to POTUS2024
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Scott Ritter
Did time for trying to hook up with underage girls
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:28 am to Timeoday
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My money is on Bibi. Bibi is about to change the Middle East!!
Don't bet too much.
Bibi is a lose cannon. He is not even popular in Israel.
Even the attack on the Iranian Consulate was to move the narrative from Gaza to Iran, and also extend his emergency powers. He is willing to risk war for his own political sake.
All this to sweep under the rug his abject failure of a strategy in Gaza, where the poor hostages are (hopefully) still languishing in captivity and there are 40,000 dead civilians almost ensuring another generation of conflict for Israel.
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