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re: We now have the dissent of Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Justice Clarence Thomas

Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:00 pm to
Are you slow? Biden forgave a bunch of student loans after that ruling by the Supreme Court.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19974 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Trump must do a better job vetting justices if he has the chance to make additional appointments


It seems like it's predominantly Roberts and ACB. Kavanaugh seems to be a Constitutianalist. ...for the most part. ACB is now a full blown leftist.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:04 pm to
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Is this sarcasm, or do you really not understand what you quoted?

Well, yes, it was sarcasm. The poster was accusing another of saying that cases only went to SCOTUS after going through the proper channels. Actually SFP, who I think he meant to accuse, would surely not say that SCOTUS never has ruled on something that had not yet gone through proper review by lower courts; just that that it was improper to do so. And this is exactly what Alito says in this dissent.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:04 pm to
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my primary concern is the integrity of our political institutions


They have none.

So you should act accordingly.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28160 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:05 pm to
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The largest issue is a constitutional question, not an immigration question.


You said you were worried about the politicization of our institutions.

It would seem that Sanctuary States is a larger issue than El Salvador not wanting to give us one of it's own citizens.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12346 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:07 pm to
Specifically respect for and the Integrity of the Supreme Court.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28160 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Specifically respect for and the Integrity of the Supreme Court.


Well then you have nothing to worry about. Unless the Trump Admin refuses to accept this illegal MS13 member back, how are they not "facilitating" his return?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:26 pm to
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Actually SFP, who I think he meant to accuse, would surely not say that SCOTUS never has ruled on something that had not yet gone through proper review by lower courts; just that that it was improper to do so.


He argued yesterday that SCOTUS didn't issue an injunction on the COVID jab mandate because it didn't go through the right channels first, which is in fact completely false and a misrepresentation of what happened.

He was trying to use their eventual ruling against the COVID jab mandate as an example of SCOTUS checking liberal overreach, but the reality is the damage had already been done because they wouldn't issue an injunction when that was appropriately brought before them. Their ruling was too late to stop anything Joe Biden's admin did with that mandate.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15718 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:29 pm to
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how are they not "facilitating" his return?


To them, facilitating means that Trump is compelled to negotiate with a foreign government. In their mind, anything less than that is illegal on Trump’s part.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
12182 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:30 pm to
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I’m right. And you’re a piece of shite. A giant piece of shite. Your ideas come straight from Satan. I don’t say that as hyperbole. You’ve given your brain to Satan and seared your conscience with a thousands sins.

This is next level melting
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20205 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:49 pm to
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Like when the Administration has already renditioned litigants out of the country and the jurisdiction of US Courts and then claimed laughable impotency to return them?

I agree that’s something extraordinary that’s never been done before.


I guess you aren’t old enough remember when we did renditions abroad and incarcerated terror suspect in Black Sites then?
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:49 pm to
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That fact that you’re a constitutional conservative OK with renditioning “others” away before a court can rule is another problem.


That you are saying this shows how little understanding you have of the issue.
The government has, from day 1, argued that the proper judicial review is habeas. That is far from deporting "before a court can rule."
Posted by Jdash13
Gonzales
Member since Jan 2023
813 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:11 pm to
This SCOTUS has been a failure since Robert’s allowed Obamacare
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:29 pm to
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The Constitution isn’t imperiled by a President deporting a gang-banging wife-beater who has been here illegally for a decade.


I disagree. You are acting like there isn’t a crisis currently happening. But it is.


There is a crisis. It's the courts taking power from the president.

Its pointed out by Atilo that the SCOTUS broke its own rules at the midnight hour knowing that the 5th is about to rule. Knowing what came out in court earlier where the admin stated there were no plans to deport anybody in the class.


So yes, there is a crisis, the courts. And that is now a constitutional crisis. And there is no return from this.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:31 pm to
Agreed.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:33 pm to
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Trump hasn’t facilitated his return. Hasn’t tried


Even fricking CNN head legal chick understands this. They were careful with the term because they can not dictate to other nations.

Had they meant for him to be returned the words g would have been " you are so ordered to return him".


The word 'facilitate' does not mean "go get him". What it means is if they are willing to return him, we arrange that means.


Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15718 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:54 pm to
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I guess you aren’t old enough remember when we did renditions abroad and incarcerated terror suspect in Black Sites then?


Obama and Biden both droned to death innocent people and they didn’t batt an eye
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15718 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:58 pm to
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Trump hasn’t facilitated his return


Here’s the problem with this line of thinking. You think the word “facilitate” means Trump is compelled to do something in order to bring this guy back. Reasonable people understand that the word facilitate simply means that he will bring him back if El Salvador offers. It doesn’t mean Trump HAS to do something.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15718 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 1:59 pm to
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The word 'facilitate' does not mean "go get him". What it means is if they are willing to return him, we arrange that means.


Correct
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16655 posts
Posted on 4/20/25 at 2:07 pm to
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The government has, from day 1, argued that the proper judicial review is habeas.

I don’t think I’ve seen this backed up with government statements. Can you post any?
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