re: Voddie Baucham explains the looming catastrophe of CRT in the church

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if y'all think i'm an idiot, that's fine. i agree with you both on 99% of the issues.

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I don’t think you’re an idiot. My Reformed brothers seem more likely to feel empathy with the underpinnings of the systemic racism framework. I just have to keep my daughter’s school reminded that we don’t need that crap in her school.

Let's go with this rather dishonest attempt at argument.

A bunch of marxists got together at the Madison, WI CRT conference (first of its kind) to discuss a race-based marxist-inspired ideology premised on the collectivization and political power struggles of groups based not on class, but on race.

So here, you have an evil (Marxism, presumably) being translated into a highly-similar but modified school of thought (CRT) based on the footprint of said evil (Marxism) by people who adhere to the evil (Marxists).

If you'd like to do a comparable analysis using 6 words of Article I to taint the entire US Constitution and the founding and promise of America itself, let's see it. Show your work. For time, I'll assume the drafters were all white supremacists. The hurdle I really want to see you clear is how you'll extend a sliver of one clause to all other aspects of the founding.

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for the purposes of determining congressional representation

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Please tell us what this phrase means to you.

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The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention due to disputes over how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population. This number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives and how much it would pay in taxes. The compromise counted three-fifths of each state's enslaved population toward that state's total population for the purpose of apportioning the House of Representatives. Even though enslaved people were denied voting rights, this gave Southern states a third more Representatives and a third more presidential electoral votes than if enslaved people had not been counted. Free Blacks were not subject to the compromise and counted as one full citizen for representation.[1] In the United States Constitution, the Three-fifths Compromise is part of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment (1868) later superseded this clause and explicitly repealed the compromise.

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Were black slave owners white supremacists?

Did the northern states or the southern states want slaves to be counted as a full person for representation?

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Except a black kid at the private school gets the same benefit (if it even exists, which is questionable and frankly French’s whole narrative seems so bereft of the on-the-ground facts in public and private schools that it makes me think he’s making huge chunks of this up).

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of course. money is the great equalizer.

I always use Lebron James as the example. I started out with better prospects than LeBron, have more education, and am generally a smarter person than he is. I'm his age and my oldest is Bronny's age.

But what he was gifted with and worked to achieve has him earning more than i can ever dream of. my kids have a better upbringing with more affluence than i did at their ages, but they'll never touch Bronny's earning potential.

race doesn't have anything to do with either outcomes.

More white kids are at private schools and thus have better starting points. less blacks can afford private school and probably have worse starting points in general. your lot in life has a lot to do with your upbringing and statistically whites are set to have better upbringings.

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Did the northern states or the southern states want slaves to be counted as a person for representation?

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Let's see if he gets this one right.

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I don't think you could make any reasonable argument against the fact that for slaves, the constitution resulted in death and destruction.

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The Constitution and Bill of Rights was the framework upon which the abolitionist movement was built. John Adams and others made the very argument for ending slavery based on the principles in our founding documents.

Today I learned that Locke, Rousseau, Smith, etc. were all white supremacists, since this country was founded on white supremacy and the above philosophers directly developed the ideals this country was founded on.

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i find it valuable. i'm not saying i don't disagree with him on the "power" part, but the idea that a bunch of well off private school kids avoid a criminal record whereas kids from a public school could have the same behavior and result in having a record explains how people could say there's some privilege that comes with being white.

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Listen, I will occasionally raise an eyebrow and go "fair point" when I read something in the CRT/intersectionality realm. My problem with French is that he basically gives away the entire farm here. He essentially says "here's a practical example of how CRT themes might elucidate an issue" and then proceeds to adopt the language and entire pretense of CRT in doing so (collectivization, the moral underpinnings and connotation of "privilege", the idea that power disparities are inherently unjust and must be ameliorated, etc.).

Everything David talks about as good can be easily achieved outside of CRT. There is no need to adopt an all-encompassing worldview in order to do an analytical assessment of how discipline circumstances in schools skews perceptions. And yes, I know he says all the right things about how he's not an adherent, but the rest of his writing belies that.

Moreover, French adopts the same dishonest approach we're seeing in media (CRT as an academic theory, etc.) and does the same cherrypicking (leaving out the anti-liberal, anti-rule of law concepts). I just don't know how you can write a piece about attempts to ban illiberal ideas in liberal education without acknowledging the ideas that are targeted seek to undermine the very liberal order itself.

It has infiltrated the church, including leadership. It’s only getting more widespread as younger pastors/priests gain control of churches.