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re: Voddie Baucham explains the looming catastrophe of CRT in the church
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:44 am to pawpoints19
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:44 am to pawpoints19
The dudes learning CRT in seminary are going to be preaching in churches for the next 60 years.
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:47 am to pawpoints19
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Yeah you yourself didn't cause the person on the side of the road to be poor or hungry, but you have a responsibility to be a good Samaritan and help them.
That’s a rather convenient packaging of CRT. That isn’t CRT. That’s just the Good Samaritan story.
CRT involves a framework where people are divided into oppressors and oppressed. Those categories are static and unchangeable. Oppressors will always be oppressors. Oppressed will always be oppressed. There’s no solution in CRT for the transgressions. There’s no message of forgiveness, grace and restoration.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:47 am to Ssubba
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The dudes learning CRT in seminary are going to be preaching in churches for the next 60 years.
And yet no one can tell me how that changes what I will be hearing in the pews on Sunday that will go counter to the gospel. Cans someone give me a concrete example?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:47 am to pawpoints19
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My understanding of CRT is not an issue of collective guilt, but rather a collective focus on how to fix problems.
Yeah you yourself didn't cause the person on the side of the road to be poor or hungry, but you have a responsibility to be a good Samaritan and help them.
That's not at all what it's about, though. If you listen to any "professor" go on about CRT, they will tell you that all of the problems that black people face are the fault of white people, and that as a white person, you should check your privilege at all points, otherwise you're a racist... In other words, don't be successful, or you are an over-privileged white person.
White people cannot earn anything in the eyes of CRT. It is 100% about white guilt, and black victimhood.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:47 am to the808bass
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If you’re not hearing messages or teaching involving collective guilt, you’re not likely hearing about CRT in your church.
That’s the usual starting point.
I agree, and this is the messaging we need not only on the church front but elsewhere as well.
The collective concepts applied to race are - if not in origination from CRT academics - then largely promoted and furthered by them. Peggy McIntosh largely popularized the concept of "privilege" or "white privilege" and I'm sure that common discussion in many churches. Any concepts of collective victimization or guilt outside of the Biblical context should be eradicated from the Church. Likewise, any prioritization and emphasis on a predominate group identifier - aside from being in Christ - has no place in the faith.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:48 am to Pettifogger
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Likewise, any prioritization and emphasis on a predominate group identifier - aside from being in Christ - has no place in the faith.
Pretty simple.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:49 am to pawpoints19
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And yet no one can tell me how that changes what I will be hearing in the pews on Sunday that will go counter to the gospel. Cans someone give me a concrete example?
Sure
Your race is the most important thing about you, and the most meaningful classification in your life
You have collective guilt that you must devote your life to absolving and it has nothing to do with Christ or his sacrifice
You have collective victimhood that cannot be altered and your only hope, to the extent any exists at all, is through collective pursuit of race-based political power
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:50 am to the808bass
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Your comments aren’t germane to the topic.
Sorry. Couldn’t resist. Carry on!
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:52 am to pawpoints19
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My understanding of CRT is not an issue of collective guilt, but rather a collective focus on how to fix problems.
It's explicitly an issue of collective guilt.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:56 am to Metaloctopus
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That's not at all what it's about, though. If you listen to any "professor" go on about CRT, they will tell you that all of the problems that black people face are the fault of white people, and that as a white person, you should check your privilege at all points, otherwise you're a racist... In other words, don't be successful, or you are an over-privileged white person.
Which CRT professor(s) exactly are you talking about?
Idk which discussion we're having. Either it's on the technical definition of CRT or the expanded politicized definition, which are you talking about? I see the politized definition more as the racial reckoning resulting from George Floyd, that's different than the legal and technical theories in CRT.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:59 am to pawpoints19
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My understanding of CRT is not an issue of collective guilt, but rather a collective focus on how to fix problems.
If that were true, then there wouldn’t be an outcry against it, or near as large of it. CRT preaches that if you’re white you’re guilty of the sin of racism no matter what.
The entirety of Robin Diangelo and Kendi’s books are that you’re racist and you can only live life a certain way (that they can teach to you with training or future books) to absolve your guilt from it.
I have no problem with my kids learning about the evils or slavery and Jim Crow. I’m glad they have a better picture of it than I did growing up in the 80s. I have no problem using outside ideas from CRT to view the gospel as long as the gospel stays at the center and has the ultimate answer.
I do have a problem with them being told they’re responsible and culpable today for legitimate problems facing the black community, especially our black brothers and sisters in Christ from politicians and a society that were 50 years before they were born.
I do have a problem with the answer being anything other than Christ, his crucifixion, and resurrection as an answer to society’s ills or a way to find redemption coming from a pulpit.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:59 am to Pettifogger
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Your race is the most important thing about you, and the most meaningful classification in your life
Which CRT scholar says this?
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You have collective guilt that you must devote your life to absolving and it has nothing to do with Christ or his sacrifice
This goes back to the good samaritan example. You as a christian have the obligation to help irrelevant to your role in why that person is on the side of the road. How does this conflict with your understanding (in my opinion misplaced) of CRT?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:01 pm to pawpoints19
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Either it's on the technical definition of CRT
If you like CRT, you don’t need our permission. Just don’t gaslight people who know what CRT is.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:03 pm to 3nOut
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The entirety of Robin Diangelo and Kendi’s books are that you’re racist and you can only live life a certain way (that they can teach to you with training or future books) to absolve your guilt from it.
They have explicity stated that they aren't CRT scholars. You are doing exactly what Rufo set out to do by lumping them all together.
quote:That's not what CRT teaches. Anti-racism, which I think again you are confusing with CRT teaches that if you aren't actively doing something to combat the outcomes of systemic racism then you are part of the problem.
I do have a problem with them being told they’re responsible and culpable today for legitimate problems facing the black community,
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:04 pm to pawpoints19
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They have explicity stated that they aren't CRT scholars. Y
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:05 pm to pawpoints19
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You as a christian have the obligation to help irrelevant to your role in why that person is on the side of the road. How does this conflict with your understanding (in my opinion misplaced) of CRT?
What does CRT propose as the solution to racial injustices in the church?
When will people who have participated in bias be forgiven? Who will forgive them?
When will churches be forgiven for their racial past wrongdoings? Who will forgive them? How will they ask for forgiveness? Who will they ask for forgiveness?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:06 pm to pawpoints19
Do you support teaching CRT in the schools and in churches?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:07 pm to the808bass
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If you like CRT, you don’t need our permission. Just don’t gaslight people who know what CRT is.
Sorry that I asked for some kind of scholarly references about a complex scholarly legal theory, lesson learned I guess
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:07 pm to pawpoints19
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I’ve certainly been inspired by my critical race theory and critical race theorists, the way in which I’ve formulated definitions of of racism and racist and anti-racism and Antiracist have not only been based on historical sort of evidence, but also Kimberle Crenshaw intersectional theory, which is she’s one of the founding and pioneering critical race theorists who who in the late 1980s and early 1990s said, you know what, black women aren’t just facing racism. They’re not just facing sexism. They’re facing the intersection of racism and sexism. And it’s important for us to understand that. And that’s foundational to to my work.
-Kendi
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:08 pm to pawpoints19
Lol. You’re not smart enough for what you’re trying to pull off.
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