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Voddie Baucham explains the looming catastrophe of CRT in the church
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:23 am
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I love listening to this man lay it out there, especially in how polar opposite CRT truly is to biblical teaching, and yet it is infiltrating American Christian churches, deceiving even the very elect if that were possible.
Marxism is on the offensive and posing itself as America’s new religion, and Americans are like sheep being led to the slaughter. This is some EVIL demonic stuff. No doubt about it, placing burdens upon mankind that can never be lifted, and weighing mankind down in subservience to their Marxist overlords rather than living Free with their God. One cannot love God with all their heart and all their mind and their neighbor as their self and believe in Critical Race Theory, and Critical anything for that matter. You cannot serve two masters.
I love listening to this man lay it out there, especially in how polar opposite CRT truly is to biblical teaching, and yet it is infiltrating American Christian churches, deceiving even the very elect if that were possible.
Marxism is on the offensive and posing itself as America’s new religion, and Americans are like sheep being led to the slaughter. This is some EVIL demonic stuff. No doubt about it, placing burdens upon mankind that can never be lifted, and weighing mankind down in subservience to their Marxist overlords rather than living Free with their God. One cannot love God with all their heart and all their mind and their neighbor as their self and believe in Critical Race Theory, and Critical anything for that matter. You cannot serve two masters.
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:32 am to Mike da Tigah
Check out his book Fault Lines. Great read
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:35 am to TigerBait1980
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Check out his book Fault Lines. Great read
Just ordered it
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:41 am to Mike da Tigah
Baucham is a powerful preacher and I love listening to him lay it down.
CRT is taking hold in many churches because the under-shepherds of Christ aren't doing their jobs and testing these ideologies according to the scriptures. They think that CRT teaches that oppression is bad, therefore it must be aligned with Christianity since Christianity also teaches that oppression is bad.
They don't see that CRT is a worldview to itself that denies basic truths of scripture and responds to oppression with more oppression, which is not the biblical approach.
CRT is taking hold in many churches because the under-shepherds of Christ aren't doing their jobs and testing these ideologies according to the scriptures. They think that CRT teaches that oppression is bad, therefore it must be aligned with Christianity since Christianity also teaches that oppression is bad.
They don't see that CRT is a worldview to itself that denies basic truths of scripture and responds to oppression with more oppression, which is not the biblical approach.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:42 am to Mike da Tigah
As always, he is a voice of reason on these issues. And, also as always, I wonder why he bothers speaking about it, since he believes everyone's actions were predetermined before the foundations of the world. Given this belief, who's mind does he think he's going to change?
A very intelligent man, otherwise.
A very intelligent man, otherwise.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:42 am to Mike da Tigah
Bacham is doing nothing more than placating to conservative evangelicals. That placating has always been a part of a larger objective of conservatives trying to control the narrative when it comes to history.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:46 am to Metaloctopus
quote:He's a Calvinist (as I am), not a "hyper-Calvinist".
As always, he is a voice of reason on these issues. And, also as always, I wonder why he bothers speaking about it, since he believes everyone's actions were predetermined before the foundations of the world. Given this belief, who's mind does he think he's going to change?
We believe that God not just determines the outcome, but uses means to accomplish those outcomes, such as using preachers of the gospel to accompany the Holy Spirit's work of regeneration.
God commands us to hold fast to the truth that was delivered, and to use the scriptures for teaching and reproof. We are to be a light shining in the darkness. Baucham is doing that, as all Calvinists (and all Christians) should also do out of obedience to and love for our Lord.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 10:46 am to FooManChoo
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CRT is taking hold in many churches because the under-shepherds of Christ aren't doing their jobs and testing these ideologies according to the scriptures.
That seems to be a common theme going on in many churches these days, abandoning sound doctrine for itching ears, the love of money, and many other things not rooted in scripture. These truly are the last days apostasy we are witnessing unfold before our very eyes.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 10:48 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:03 am to FooManChoo
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He's a Calvinist (as I am), not a "hyper-Calvinist".
We believe that God not just determines the outcome, but uses means to accomplish those outcomes, such as using preachers of the gospel to accompany the Holy Spirit's work of regeneration.
God commands us to hold fast to the truth that was delivered, and to use the scriptures for teaching and reproof. We are to be a light shining in the darkness. Baucham is doing that, as all Calvinists (and all Christians) should also do out of obedience to and love for our Lord.
Oh, I know what he is and claims to be, my friend. And I also know what you believe. And I, a non Calvinist, also believe that God uses us as vessels to do His work. Not because He needs us, but because He wants us to be obedient. And to that end, I applaud Mr. Baucham for speaking out against things like CRT. I'm merely pointing out the logical inconsistency of his own belief system, in doing so.
And the reason I say that, is because there isn't any actual difference between what you call a "hyper-Calvinist" or a three point Calvinist, or whatever one may call themselves. If you believe in all things being predetermined, as opposed to simply being foreknown, which is what I believe (God would not be infinite in His power, if he needed to predetermine the future in order to see into it), then all else is just window dressing to explain AWAY the internal incoherence, rather than address the problem.
What do I mean? If you believe that our actions are predetermined, then why would God feel the need to use any of us to spread truth? The whole point of God sending us out into the world to spread the Gospel, and for that matter, the whole purpose of the Gospel even existing, is to reach others who are lost. If everyone's fate has been determined, then no one is going to be reached. You are essentially, then, saying that God created us as a means for His own entertainment, to watch us play out a grand play.
That is not the God of the Bible. If God has predetermined all actions, then God is the author of sin. And that makes Him an unjust God for bringing punishment upon those who had no control of their thoughts or actions. That is also not the God of the Bible.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:23 am to Metaloctopus
what church is teaching CRT? What does that even look like?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:25 am to pawpoints19
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:26 am to Metaloctopus
Chill out on the Calvinist diatribe. No one here cares about your internecine conflict.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:30 am to the808bass
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Chill out on the Calvinist diatribe. No one here cares about your internecine conflict.
I don't recall asking for your permission to stand up for the true word of God, and reject perversions of it. I can't think of a single thing you have said recently that was interesting, but you don't see me giving you childish replies telling you that no one cares about what you have to say.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:32 am to Metaloctopus
Your comments aren’t germane to the topic. Go find a Calvinist Reddit and go ham.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:33 am to the808bass
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Here’s what it looks like. This guy is a professor at Wheaton.
Thanks, this is a good read about what CRT is and isn't.
But help me understand how something taught in theoretical and professorial terms at divinity schools affects me in the pews on sunday?
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:35 am to pawpoints19
If you’re not hearing messages or teaching involving collective guilt, you’re not likely hearing about CRT in your church.
That’s the usual starting point.
That’s the usual starting point.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:38 am to the808bass
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Your comments aren’t germane to the topic. Go find a Calvinist Reddit and go ham.
The preacher is a Calvinist, and I'm commenting on his worldviews that bring into question the point of his efforts.
That is relevant to me. And if you've got a problem with that, buddy, I can't tell you just how little that matters to me. I think we've beaten CRT into the dirt on this forum. When something is important to me, and I feel the need to say it, I will say it, and I won't ask for your permission now or at any point in the future. You don't have to read what I say. I wasn't talking to you anyway, though I welcome anyone who wishes to reply constructively.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:40 am to Metaloctopus
Constructively, you’re a one-trick pony.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:42 am to the808bass
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If you’re not hearing messages or teaching involving collective guilt, you’re not likely hearing about CRT in your church.
My understanding of CRT is not an issue of collective guilt, but rather a collective focus on how to fix problems.
Yeah you yourself didn't cause the person on the side of the road to be poor or hungry, but you have a responsibility to be a good Samaritan and help them.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:43 am to the808bass
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Constructively, you’re a one-trick pony.
You go right ahead and tell me what makes me a one trick pony? For the record, I agreed with what Baucham said and merely added an inquisitive remark regarding his Calvinism, to which a Calvinist replied. I had no intention in going into a deep dive, but sometimes conversations spring up, and I don't think it's any of your business to tell two people what they can discuss.
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