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re: Vaccines are not a big cause of excess deaths
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:25 pm to TrueTiger
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:25 pm to TrueTiger
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Do you know that half of peer reviewed studies are eventually debunked?
It is always fascinating to watch some on the poliboard at one moment tout a peer reviewed study saying something they like, and at the next moment for others to claim all peer reviewed studies are garbage when they disagree
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:More deaths than what? Link?
This made for more deaths early on.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:35 pm to Penrod
So if the vaccines didn’t cause the excess deaths, what did? In the absence of any other explanation, and since it’s the only major environmental change, vaccines must be presumed to be the cause. Because we all know there’ll be no government sponsored or otherwise accepted investigation into the issue.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:41 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:It really depends, doesn't it.
peer reviewed
E.g., Peer review in climatology is often nothing more than an ESG-funded circle-jerk cabal boosting crap science.
During Covid we've unfortunately seen that cesspool spillover and inundate medical studies as well.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:42 pm to FlySaint
quote:Uhm .... CV19?
So if the vaccines didn’t cause the excess deaths, what did?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:More than Denmark/Norway/et al. You're disputing this? This is why they were the pariah in the early days. Then, as time moved on, lots of nuances - like this prior season flu thing - started to trickle out and everything made a lot more sense.
More deaths than what? Link?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 8:12 pm to Cosmo
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What do those countries have in common?
Jabbers were instructed to aspirate before the jab to ensure that it had not hit a blood vessel. This wasn't done elsewhere
Posted on 3/9/23 at 8:24 pm to Penrod
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“Excess deaths” are simply the number of people who died in a period of time in excess of the number expected,
Maybe Sweden sandbagged on the original estimate and that is why their excess number is smaller.
I no longer believe anything.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Yes.
You're disputing this?
The early pandemic "studies" comparing Sweden and Norway read more like preconceived hit pieces than science.
Backstory, Norway was coming off a couple of rough flu seasons. Meaning, CV19 did not bump their excess deaths relative to Sweden which fared better with flu. It skewed apparent "excess" deaths toward Sweden.
The "everybody must shutdown" medical world was highly offended Sweden refused to play. When cursory data reviews seemed to reinforce anti-Swede bias, groups ran with it, without deep thought or study design. Not good.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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EVERYONE wants to rush to make declarations about something we still just don't know nearly enough about.
EVERYONE?
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:16 pm to CitizenK
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Jabbers were instructed to aspirate before the jab to ensure that it had not hit a blood vessel. This wasn't done elsewhere
Stick to Ukraine war threads, Admiral.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:40 pm to GumboPot
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What is the reason for the excess deaths if not the mRNA COVID vaccines? Excess deaths and mRNA COVID vaccine rollout timing is uncanny.
You realize that many common causes of death were reduced during Covid lockdowns and more people isolated from others leading to less exposure to potential things that could lead them to die.
Add in that this was a double whammy once those people emerged and were already in a weakens state and you get a higher number of deaths. Again, they are not saying it wasn’t happening (deaths due to vaccine), but that it isn’t statistically meaningful to the overall increase in so called excess deaths.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:59 pm to Penrod
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What is killing healthy young Americans?
2020 saw a spike in deaths in America, smaller than you might imagine during a pandemic, some of which could be attributed to COVID and to initial treatment strategies that were not effective. But then, in 2021, the stats people expected went off the rails. The CEO of the OneAmerica insurance company publicly disclosed that during the third and fourth quarters of 2021, death in people of working age (18–64) was 40 percent higher than it was before the pandemic. Significantly, the majority of the deaths were not attributed to COVID.
A 40 percent increase in deaths is literally earth-shaking. Even a 10 percent increase in excess deaths would have been a 1-in-200-year event. But this was 40 percent.
And therein lies a story—a story that starts with obvious questions:
What has caused this historic spike in deaths among younger people?
What has caused the shift from old people, who are expected to die, to younger people, who are expected to keep living?
It isn’t COVID, of course, because we know that COVID is not a significant cause of death in young people. Various stakeholders opine about what could be causing this epidemic of unexpected sudden deaths, but “CAUSE UNKNOWN” doesn’t opine or speculate. The facts just are, and the math just is.
The book begins with a close look at the actual human reality behind the statistics, and when you see the people who are represented by the dry term Excess Mortality, it’s difficult to accept so many unexpected sudden deaths of young athletes, known to be the healthiest among us. Similarly, when lots of healthy teenagers and young adults die in their sleep without obvious reason, collapse and die on a family outing, or fall down dead while playing sports, that all by itself raises an immediate public health concern. Or at least it used to.
Ask yourself if you recall seeing these kinds of things occurring during your own life—in junior high? In high school? In college? How many times in your life did you hear of a performer dropping dead on stage in mid-performance? Your own life experience and intuition will tell you that what you’re about to see is not normal.
Or at least it wasn’t normal before 2021.
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:45 pm to TrueTiger
What you originally said:
What your link said:
You claimed half of studies are eventually debunked.
Your linked study was only considering studies that had been reported on in the news. The universe of all studies is much, much larger that.
Secondly, there is nothing mentioned in your linked article about the studies they are reporting on being peer-reviewed, one way or the other.
In the end, your linked article does not support the claim you made, nor does it disprove your claim.
It's subject is so much different from what you had claimed, it's really not relevant to your original claim.
quote:
Do you know that half of peer reviewed studies are eventually debunked?
What your link said:
quote:
Study: half of the studies you read about in the news are wrong
You claimed half of studies are eventually debunked.
Your linked study was only considering studies that had been reported on in the news. The universe of all studies is much, much larger that.
Secondly, there is nothing mentioned in your linked article about the studies they are reporting on being peer-reviewed, one way or the other.
In the end, your linked article does not support the claim you made, nor does it disprove your claim.
It's subject is so much different from what you had claimed, it's really not relevant to your original claim.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 3/9/23 at 10:50 pm to jimmy the leg
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EVERYONE?
Typically when someone uses terms like “everyone” or “both sides” followed by something negative they’re mentally positioning themselves on the outside looking in.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 11:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Literally, this is what I've been saying in this thread.
Backstory, Norway was coming off a couple of rough flu seasons. Meaning, CV19 did not bump their excess deaths relative to Sweden which fared better with flu. It skewed apparent "excess" deaths toward Sweden.
I'm not sure what you're arguing against.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:32 am to texridder
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Your linked study was only considering studies that had been reported on in the news.
If the public isn't aware of a study,
does it even matter?
Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:48 am to Cosmo
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Eh, they are pretty close to all the scandinavian neighbors
What do those countries have in common?
Might as well say Americans are all the same! ;)
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:39 am to NC_Tigah
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During Covid we've unfortunately seen that cesspool spillover and inundate medical studies as well.
Right, they didn’t recycle “trust the science “ for nothing.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 9:38 am to texridder
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