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re: Vaccines are not a big cause of excess deaths
Posted on 3/10/23 at 10:36 am to texridder
Posted on 3/10/23 at 10:36 am to texridder
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Link?
Why so many scientific studies are flawed and poorly understood
Study behaviour of “hypothesising after results are known”, or HARKing resulting in flawed science
Study: half of the studies you read about in the news are wrong
NIH: It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false
Beware those scientific studies—most are wrong
Science is often flawed. It's time we embraced that.
Ten years ago, a researcher claimed most published research findings are false; now a decade later, his claim is stronger than ever
New Scientist: Why so much science research is flawed
texridder, do you every reflect back on how many of your beliefs are always so easily proven wrong?
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 10:37 am to RobbBobb
I wasn't going to put that much work into it, but thanks.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:30 pm to RobbBobb
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texridder, do you every reflect back on how many of your beliefs are always so easily proven wrong?
First, let's deal with the topic of this thread.
Of course, if you count all scientific studies as a group, it might well be that a greater number may be false. But, that doesn't mean that holds for all studies, regardless of the background of the scientists who produced the study, the funding, the nature of the study, the size of the study, the methodology (randomized/controlled), and where it is published.
The below is a quote from one of the articles you posted (Big Think article), which might call into question the diligence with which you reviewed the articles you posted, since it seems to be at odds with what you seem to be advocating:
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The rate of findings that have later been found to be wrong or exaggerated has been found to be 30 percent for the top most widely cited randomized, controlled trials in the world’s highest-quality medical journals. For non-randomized trials that number rises to an astonishing five out of six.
Since there are a plethora of lower quality, smaller sized studies, and those with questionable methodologies, the sheer numbers of those studies would undoubtedly skew the overall quality rating.
Secondly, since you must have reviewed my posts to have implied "how many of your beliefs are always so easily proven wrong", why don't you post a couple of those "easily proven wrong" beliefs so we can take a look at them?
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:41 pm to texridder
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why don't you post a couple of those "easily proven wrong" beliefs so we can take a look at them?
I just posted this one, and you still act like you werent wrong
Most studies today are wrong, due to funding bias, HARKing, team bias, falsification, lack of reliability, etc. Yet you have convinced yourself it isnt true
We know the vaccine studies were BS. From real world data, particpants still caught the virus, and eventually became more likely to spread and/or be hospitalized. But you still deny any of that
Plus, the further studies that say the mRNA vaccines are as safe as a traditional vax, yet VAERS has exploded as well as the documented rates of increases in unexplained sudden death. And you wont accept that either
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:11 pm to gmac8604
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Uhh, yeah it is. It’s either the vaccines or 5g. Both were the only major implementations across countries of 1Q-2Q 2021
Not true. There were at least two others: lockdowns and covid.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:14 pm to MurphyGator
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I think this and their better health before, during, and after Covid is why helped contribute to lower Covid death numbers.
But they didn’t have lower covid death numbers. Theirs were higher than their Scandinavian neighbors and about the same as much of western Europe. What they had was lower excess deaths in the ensuing years.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:18 pm to RobbBobb
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I just posted this one, and you still act like you werent wrong
And I just posted a quote from one of your articles that says you're full of crap.
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Most studies today are wrong, due to funding bias, HARKing, team bias, falsification, lack of reliability, etc. Yet you have convinced yourself it isnt true
That may be so on the low-quality, biased articles that you read to confirm your bias, but, according to your posted article that's not true.
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We know the vaccine studies were BS. From real world data, particpants still caught the virus, and eventually became more likely to spread and/or be hospitalized. But you still deny any of that
Overall, the vaccines weren't as successful as they projected. But, it appears it was more effective in the beginning and less effective as the virus mutated.
You'll have to show me with something more than your opinion, that "particpants still caught the virus, and eventually became more likely to spread and/or be hospitalized."
Ditto for claims that "the mRNA vaccines are as safe as a traditional vax", and that "VAERS has exploded as well as the documented rates of increases in unexplained ??? sudden death."
I haven' convinced myself of anything. You jackals say that crap all the time, assuming that everyone on the other "side" has the same opinion on everything. I haven't followed closely or posted much on the topics you brought up since it seems to me that there is more Monday morning quarterbacking, rhetoric, and conjecture going on as to the vaccines than fact.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:21 pm to Penrod
Keep believing that shite.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:25 pm to TrueTiger
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If the public isn't aware of a study,
does it even matter?
I don't think that the ancient riddle "if a tree falls in the forest, and there's no one there to hear it", is useful here.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 9:28 pm to Penrod
not a big, is quite the qualifier
Posted on 3/16/23 at 11:47 am to RobbBobb
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I just posted this one, and you still act like you werent wrong
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you have convinced yourself it isnt true
I haven't convinced myself of anything. I said in one of my posts that Covid vaccines is not a topic I follow closely.
I asked you to provide backup for a couple of the statements you made on Covid vaccines and I got no response. How about it?
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From real world data, particpants still caught the virus, and eventually became more likely to spread and/or be hospitalized
Do you have cite for that?
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VAERS has exploded as well as the documented rates of increases in unexplained sudden death
A cite for that?
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