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re: US Treasury is doubling down on buybacks to try to supress the yield

Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:48 am to
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:48 am to
I am already cash poor with no assets

Should I cash out my 401k and buy some land? Or a bunker?
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3975 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:49 am to
watching the end of a great republic in real time... it may take another 25 to 50 years but the continuing deficits, debt to fund programs and wars, financial repression, quantative easing to try and mask it all.. won't work.

it's a story that's repeated a few times now. we're going the way of rome

and, 'that's just the way it is' and 'wasn't mentioned during biden' only confirms..
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 10:51 am
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:56 am to
From Claude, for anyone else with a notional understanding of this:

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Bottom line: the Treasury is using an existing, routine tool (debt buybacks) at an unusually large scale to counter a rapid, disruptive rise in long-term borrowing costs. It worked immediately to pull yields down and calm markets, but most independent analysts frame it as a short-term stabilizer — it doesn't address the deeper drivers (inflation expectations, energy prices, heavy debt issuance, competition from AI-related corporate borrowing) that pushed yields to multi-decade highs in the first place. Worth watching for updates at the November 4 Quarterly Refunding, when Treasury says it'll clarify whether this becomes a more permanent policy shift.
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:00 am to
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Should I cash out my 401k and buy some land? Or a bunker?


No. It could take decades for the house of cards to fall. Keep funding your 401k so you have a chance to build wealth before the stuff really hits the fan.

And you should buy land, pay down debt, and build or buy housing you own free and clear. Not easy, but those are the best things you can do to insulate yourself.

Obviously figuring out how to make as much money as you can given your assets and abilities will help a lot.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13881 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:02 am to
The big problem is the lead weight on US fiscal policy are the commitments they have in social welfare and entitlements to the most important voting demographic in the country.

Half our budget is essentially going towards things that only the retirees class reap the benefits and our solutions have always been to under-fund those programs - calling into question longterm viability - and cut everything else that isn't military spending thus choking out investment in the working class (I do not mean by income, I mean not-retired) and those in training/education.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30201 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:06 am to
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This is not QE


If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70077 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:11 am to
I don't understand this, but it sounds wild
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So he wants to put in place a system to prepare for this great problem, and what he’s told Japan is: don’t sell your securities. And by the way, Europe, Asia — don’t sell your bonds either. We’ll do what we just did with the Emirates a few weeks before we made the Japan deal — we’ll make a swap. Instead of selling your holdings of US bonds, deposit them with the Federal Reserve, we’ll make a swap agreement, we’ll give you, in exchange, an equivalent dollar amount of the bonds you put in. You can sell — swap — these dollars we’ve given you to support your exchange rate. If you want to dissipate your money and make arbitrageurs rich by helping your currency go up for a few days, maybe a week, spend a hundred billion dollars, you lose it — but we’ll lend you the money to dissipate away, and we’re still holding your bonds. We’re happy to have you do that, so you don’t have to either sell your securities or raise your interest rates.

Because if you raise interest rates — and Japan’s interest rates are already the highest they’ve been in 20 or 30 years, really since the 1990 crisis — then people ask, why would you want to borrow yen to take a risk buying US bonds? Because if you buy US bonds, and the interest rates US bonds are obliged to pay go higher and higher, their price — their exchange rate — goes down. So any holder of them, if you’re borrowing cheap yen to buy bonds thinking you’ll make an even bigger interest rate gain, well now the squeeze forces you to sell these bonds, but you get a much lower price for them, because when interest rates go up, the market price goes down. They’re being squeezed that way.

Bessent has told Japan: don’t get stuck in this, we’ll just do a swap, we’ll lend you the dollars. So what he’d like to see is the whole rest of the world swapping their bond holdings for US dollars, and in exchange, the United States will have enormous claims on countries whose currencies are going to plunge — the Japanese yen, the European currencies, other Asian currencies — which they can ultimately pay off and settle by making a huge capital gain buying foreign securities at a much lower rate. That’s the game. And other countries don’t seem to see how they’re being taken for a ride by Bessent’s policy. It’s not to help them — it’s to help the United States gain, and to prevent them from selling the bonds and causing higher interest rates here.

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Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
33057 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:11 am to
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israel’s war is going to screw us and trumps legacy, isn’t it?


Look at the rates since February 28. Direct correlation.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78662 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:12 am to
But are we still years away from adequate inventory for the housing market?
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
20741 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:38 am to
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Exactly



The market agrees with us today
Posted by Lige
Member since Nov 2015
2127 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:45 am to
So should I pull my S&P and Nasdaq heavy mutual funds? Where should I go and hide my 401?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103847 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 1:44 pm to
I think we are headed for a major recession unfortunately


It’s almost a repeat


Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103847 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:08 pm to
If only we had a govt agency that was charged with making govt more efficient and eliminating waste to improve our fiscal situation
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13881 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:15 pm to
Efficiency in government is trimming around the edges.

The truth is that the retirees love their elderly care and social security check. Everybody else wants the same deal they’re getting AND they want the government to invest in things that improve this nations and its people today (not just for the golden years).

We either need to have a dramatic change in what people see as the contract between the government and its people OR we need to get real and 50 years of cutting taxes was a disastrous mistake and the people who mostly led that movement are going to be the bomb that blows the whole American system up.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40171 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

This is not QE



quote:
Treasury Sec Bessent doubled long-end liquidity buybacks from $2bn to at least $4bn per operation



mmk
But it's not.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
20741 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:33 pm to
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But it's not.
sure thing
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60235 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:33 pm to
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20-year bonds are auctioning today, he's timed this can-kicking to try to gain some small extra distance from that.

We'll see what happens with tails.


The tail was .5 so it looks like Bessent bought himself a little breathing room.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:34 pm to
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k. Everybody else wants the same deal they’re getting


Not me. Let me opt out of it and keep my own money to invest as I see fit. I will be more than fine. I'll even give up everything Ive put in to protect my kids from having to deal with our inability to make anything bettet.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13881 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:37 pm to
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Not me. Let me opt out of it and keep my own money to invest as I see fit. I will be more than fine. I'll even give up everything Ive put in to protect my kids from having to deal with our inability to make anything bettet


Rugged individualism isn’t going to save you from being old and often ill. Almost nobody is taking the “we’ll give you a little more money each month but when you no longer have economic utility then you damn sure better hoped you saved enough for the hospitals to suck your accounts dry after you die not before” deal.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 2:38 pm
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2598 posts
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:50 pm to
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To be fair, I don't think anyone currently elected to federal office -nor even most of those running for federal office- want to address it as there's no win in doing so and speaking the problem out loud might clue in the general public to the true depth of the structural issues holding up our economy and currency.


yes. What I said came out wrong - I did not mean this Administration alone won't do anything. They are all in on it. Just a few short years ago conservatives, including Bessent, were criticizing Yellen for doing similar things: flooding the market to hold down long-term yields and keep the pre-election housing market/economy moving along.
Essentially that is what is going on here.
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