- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:49 am to stout
watching the end of a great republic in real time... it may take another 25 to 50 years but the continuing deficits, debt to fund programs and wars, financial repression, quantative easing to try and mask it all.. won't work.
it's a story that's repeated a few times now. we're going the way of rome
and, 'that's just the way it is' and 'wasn't mentioned during biden' only confirms..
it's a story that's repeated a few times now. we're going the way of rome
and, 'that's just the way it is' and 'wasn't mentioned during biden' only confirms..
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/19/26 at 10:56 am to stout
From Claude, for anyone else with a notional understanding of this:
quote:
Bottom line: the Treasury is using an existing, routine tool (debt buybacks) at an unusually large scale to counter a rapid, disruptive rise in long-term borrowing costs. It worked immediately to pull yields down and calm markets, but most independent analysts frame it as a short-term stabilizer — it doesn't address the deeper drivers (inflation expectations, energy prices, heavy debt issuance, competition from AI-related corporate borrowing) that pushed yields to multi-decade highs in the first place. Worth watching for updates at the November 4 Quarterly Refunding, when Treasury says it'll clarify whether this becomes a more permanent policy shift.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:00 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Should I cash out my 401k and buy some land? Or a bunker?
No. It could take decades for the house of cards to fall. Keep funding your 401k so you have a chance to build wealth before the stuff really hits the fan.
And you should buy land, pay down debt, and build or buy housing you own free and clear. Not easy, but those are the best things you can do to insulate yourself.
Obviously figuring out how to make as much money as you can given your assets and abilities will help a lot.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:02 am to Sharlo
The big problem is the lead weight on US fiscal policy are the commitments they have in social welfare and entitlements to the most important voting demographic in the country.
Half our budget is essentially going towards things that only the retirees class reap the benefits and our solutions have always been to under-fund those programs - calling into question longterm viability - and cut everything else that isn't military spending thus choking out investment in the working class (I do not mean by income, I mean not-retired) and those in training/education.
Half our budget is essentially going towards things that only the retirees class reap the benefits and our solutions have always been to under-fund those programs - calling into question longterm viability - and cut everything else that isn't military spending thus choking out investment in the working class (I do not mean by income, I mean not-retired) and those in training/education.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:06 am to stout
quote:
This is not QE
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:11 am to BottomlandBrew
I don't understand this, but it sounds wild
LINK
quote:
So he wants to put in place a system to prepare for this great problem, and what he’s told Japan is: don’t sell your securities. And by the way, Europe, Asia — don’t sell your bonds either. We’ll do what we just did with the Emirates a few weeks before we made the Japan deal — we’ll make a swap. Instead of selling your holdings of US bonds, deposit them with the Federal Reserve, we’ll make a swap agreement, we’ll give you, in exchange, an equivalent dollar amount of the bonds you put in. You can sell — swap — these dollars we’ve given you to support your exchange rate. If you want to dissipate your money and make arbitrageurs rich by helping your currency go up for a few days, maybe a week, spend a hundred billion dollars, you lose it — but we’ll lend you the money to dissipate away, and we’re still holding your bonds. We’re happy to have you do that, so you don’t have to either sell your securities or raise your interest rates.
Because if you raise interest rates — and Japan’s interest rates are already the highest they’ve been in 20 or 30 years, really since the 1990 crisis — then people ask, why would you want to borrow yen to take a risk buying US bonds? Because if you buy US bonds, and the interest rates US bonds are obliged to pay go higher and higher, their price — their exchange rate — goes down. So any holder of them, if you’re borrowing cheap yen to buy bonds thinking you’ll make an even bigger interest rate gain, well now the squeeze forces you to sell these bonds, but you get a much lower price for them, because when interest rates go up, the market price goes down. They’re being squeezed that way.
Bessent has told Japan: don’t get stuck in this, we’ll just do a swap, we’ll lend you the dollars. So what he’d like to see is the whole rest of the world swapping their bond holdings for US dollars, and in exchange, the United States will have enormous claims on countries whose currencies are going to plunge — the Japanese yen, the European currencies, other Asian currencies — which they can ultimately pay off and settle by making a huge capital gain buying foreign securities at a much lower rate. That’s the game. And other countries don’t seem to see how they’re being taken for a ride by Bessent’s policy. It’s not to help them — it’s to help the United States gain, and to prevent them from selling the bonds and causing higher interest rates here.
LINK
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:11 am to CoonassatTEXAS
quote:
israel’s war is going to screw us and trumps legacy, isn’t it?
Look at the rates since February 28. Direct correlation.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:12 am to stout
But are we still years away from adequate inventory for the housing market?
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:38 am to stout
quote:
Exactly
The market agrees with us today
Posted on 8/19/26 at 11:45 am to stout
So should I pull my S&P and Nasdaq heavy mutual funds? Where should I go and hide my 401?
Posted on 8/19/26 at 1:44 pm to stout
I think we are headed for a major recession unfortunately
It’s almost a repeat

It’s almost a repeat

Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:08 pm to stout
If only we had a govt agency that was charged with making govt more efficient and eliminating waste to improve our fiscal situation
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:15 pm to deltaland
Efficiency in government is trimming around the edges.
The truth is that the retirees love their elderly care and social security check. Everybody else wants the same deal they’re getting AND they want the government to invest in things that improve this nations and its people today (not just for the golden years).
We either need to have a dramatic change in what people see as the contract between the government and its people OR we need to get real and 50 years of cutting taxes was a disastrous mistake and the people who mostly led that movement are going to be the bomb that blows the whole American system up.
The truth is that the retirees love their elderly care and social security check. Everybody else wants the same deal they’re getting AND they want the government to invest in things that improve this nations and its people today (not just for the golden years).
We either need to have a dramatic change in what people see as the contract between the government and its people OR we need to get real and 50 years of cutting taxes was a disastrous mistake and the people who mostly led that movement are going to be the bomb that blows the whole American system up.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:26 pm to The Baker
quote:But it's not.
This is not QE
quote:
Treasury Sec Bessent doubled long-end liquidity buybacks from $2bn to at least $4bn per operation
mmk
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:sure thing
But it's not.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:33 pm to Bard
quote:
20-year bonds are auctioning today, he's timed this can-kicking to try to gain some small extra distance from that.
We'll see what happens with tails.
The tail was .5 so it looks like Bessent bought himself a little breathing room.
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:34 pm to Diego Ricardo
quote:
k. Everybody else wants the same deal they’re getting
Not me. Let me opt out of it and keep my own money to invest as I see fit. I will be more than fine. I'll even give up everything Ive put in to protect my kids from having to deal with our inability to make anything bettet.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Not me. Let me opt out of it and keep my own money to invest as I see fit. I will be more than fine. I'll even give up everything Ive put in to protect my kids from having to deal with our inability to make anything bettet
Rugged individualism isn’t going to save you from being old and often ill. Almost nobody is taking the “we’ll give you a little more money each month but when you no longer have economic utility then you damn sure better hoped you saved enough for the hospitals to suck your accounts dry after you die not before” deal.
This post was edited on 8/19/26 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/19/26 at 2:50 pm to Bard
quote:
To be fair, I don't think anyone currently elected to federal office -nor even most of those running for federal office- want to address it as there's no win in doing so and speaking the problem out loud might clue in the general public to the true depth of the structural issues holding up our economy and currency.
yes. What I said came out wrong - I did not mean this Administration alone won't do anything. They are all in on it. Just a few short years ago conservatives, including Bessent, were criticizing Yellen for doing similar things: flooding the market to hold down long-term yields and keep the pre-election housing market/economy moving along.
Essentially that is what is going on here.
Popular
Back to top


1








