re: Ukraine launches a Trojan Horse drone strike 3,000 miles inside Russia. Multiple Nuclear…

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Why would our relations with either become so deteriorated to the point where that’s a possibility? Why does nearly every country that borders Russia hate them and want to join NATO for defense against Russia? Dozens and dozens of countries picking on poor widdle Russia.

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None of that matters. Answer the question.

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Russia expected to make a Strategic Nuclear response within hours.

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lol , no

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This is absolutely correct. Matter of fact, they think Putin is being too soft on Ukraine. If something happens to Putin in this environment you can bet the next guy will be more of a hardliner

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Oh, yes John Barron. You are so correct about Russia. Tell me, you are part of the Trump administration aren't you?

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None of that matters. Answer the question.

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Lmao, of course it matters. Context is king.

If we became openly hostile to our neighbors to the point where they felt it prudent to ally with an adversarial nation to protect themselves from aggression from us, they would be well within their rights to do so.

I would expect a ww2 Dresden style bombing of Kiev tonight. Nonnuclear, western style format.

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I would expect a ww2 Dresden style bombing of Kiev tonight. Nonnuclear, western style format.

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But short a few bombers right?

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My point has always been that if NATO expansion was really a reason for Russias invasion of Ukraine than they lost when Sweden and Finland joined.

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Your point is not a good point. Russia has a naval base in Sevastopol that they will fight to keep. That's been the case for centuries. Eastern Ukraine has a lot of ethnic Russians who don't want to join NATO, which is why Ukraine was fighting a civil war since 2014.

Russia was willing to let Sweden and Finland join the EU and multiple other eastern European countries, but they're not willing to cede Eastern Ukraine and Crimea because they see that as more important and don't want it in NATO hands. It's worth more to them than it is to the US, which is why we should get out of this conflict before it turns into something nobody wants.

So given that Putin and Zelensky have painted themselves into a corner, what is the most optimistic outcome re a truly POSSIBLE scenario? As retaliation and escalation is a Russian given, and that such will likely have far reaching consequences for us, what is the best we can hope for? What will the EU do? What will Trump do?

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So given that Putin and Zelensky have painted themselves into a corner, what is the most optimistic outcome re a truly POSSIBLE scenario? As retaliation and escalation is a Russian given, and that such will likely have far reaching consequences for us, what is the best we can hope for? What will the EU do? What will Trump do?

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I don't know the answers, but I'm not optimistic. Europe and NATO don't care about Ukraine. This is and always has been a proxy war; the question is why. NATO knew Russia wasn't going to give up Ukraine without a fight, particularly the east. The only realistic motive I see is energy; the EU is deficient and Russia is loaded. One has been expansionist for the last 30 years, and the other one hasn't. If defeating Russia is the end game here, this will get ugly for all concerned.

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I get that, but destroying 40+ active bombers would be a massive escalation of the war.

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“Escalation”?

These bombers have been used to drop bombs on Ukrainian cities throughout this war. The best way to stop bombers from bombing your people is to blow up the bombers. That isn’t “escalation,” it’s what you have to do to protect your people.