re: Trump to sign Executive Order ending birth right citizenship for kids of illegals on Day 1

He most certainly can do this because there is no such thing as 'birth right citizenship' as most leftist define it. The entire idea is a twisted interpretation of the clause that the child of a citizen is also US citizen, which is then twisted and applied to any child born in the US (which is just stupid / on par for dems).

IOW, he can do this because there is no such thing. Citizenship is only granted at birth to children of citizens.

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If he wants to be serious about border crossings that and revoking asylum coupled with severe penalties to businesses that hire illegals would do it. I don’t see a wall or the “back to Mexico” thing being serious attempts.

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Do. It. All.

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precidence

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I agree with you except for this spelling. Precedent

It would require a Constitutional amendment, see 13th Amendment

Thanks spell check

Forget the EO because those can be changed and nullified.
Send it congress and that alone with nothing else attached. The people would be behind it.

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IIRC birthright citizenship is based on a SOTUS footnote from a case in the late 1800s concerning a Chinese immigrant and a bastardized interpretation of the Civil War Amendments (specifically the 14th). I forget the details.

The bottom-line "birthright citizenship" has not been fully legally vetted and challenged all the way to SCOTUS as a single issue...just kind of accepted.

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Your memory is pretty good, but your conclusion is off. In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the SCOTUS fully examined birthright citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment. While the facts for Wong Kim Ark are better than the facts for many anchor babies, the legal analysis will be the same. Moreover, originalists and textualists will have difficulty overturning the case because the SCOTUS examined the meaning and use of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" at and prior to the founding of this country. Specifically, the phrase was meant to exclude only: (1) children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and (2) children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State:

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The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country. Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 1, 18b; Cockburn on Nationality, 7; Dicey Conflict of Laws, 177; Inglis v. Sailors' Snug Harbor, 3 Pet. 99, 28 U. S. 155; 2 Kent Com. 39, 42.

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U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 683 (1898)

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I am not sure he has that authority.

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Since the Supreme Court ruling. You are about to find out what a real President looks like. Not one handcuffed by the deep state

Perhaps you’re right. But my reading of some of these things leads me to believe that they were clear, and that citizenship was only granted by being naturalized or being born of two natural born citizens. The 14th was created so that slaves could be naturalized and their children were natural born citizens. I believe a challenge to this can be won.