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re: Trump to sign Executive Order ending birth right citizenship for kids of illegals on Day 1
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:20 am to jb4
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:20 am to jb4
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Good next move is for the Supreme Court to rule
Of course.
But SCOTUS needs something to rule on and Trump's appointed AG has to have legal decrement and motivation to defend the EO from the ground all the way to SCOTUS.
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:20 am to FreddieMac
It only exists from dicta of a supreme court decision, so it's debatable whether that was a valid exercise of Article III authority in the first place.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:22 am to themunch
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Was the birth rite thing for legal immigrants? Children born in the US from legal immigrants.
Legal immigrants who have been naturalized are US citizens so their kids are already citiizens just like your kids.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:22 am to FreddieMac
Its not about authority. Its about time.
He signs the EO. It effectively goes into law. Fed judges from everywhere stop it and it gets held up in courts.
This gives time to house and senate to pass a frigging bill. We all know it takes months for them to do so.
He signs the EO. It effectively goes into law. Fed judges from everywhere stop it and it gets held up in courts.
This gives time to house and senate to pass a frigging bill. We all know it takes months for them to do so.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:23 am to Jack Ruby
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it's made so clear in the Constitution that anyone born here can be a citizen.
But this isn't clear at all. If you're here illegally are you "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"? No one knows how SCOTUS will eventually rule on that.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:23 am to Trapped in time
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severe penalties to businesses that hire illegals
That won't happen because as much as we like to ignore it, many businesses rely heavily on their labor (and that was even before the wide open border the last four years).
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:24 am to shinerfan
The guy that wrote that portion thought it preposterous that it would be deemed as automatic citizenship.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:24 am to PaperTiger
It's past time to dispense with Plyer which has given every incentive for people to break immigration law. One of the worst decisions of the 1900s which had plenty horrible ones.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:24 am to Alt26
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Wouldn’t that take a constitutional amendment?
Possibly. I don't know if that issue has fully been decided by the USSC. But that's the underlying reason for the EO...to try to get the issue before the USSC. He knows adverse groups will challenge the EO
IIRC birthright citizenship is based on a SOTUS footnote from a case in the late 1800s concerning a Chinese immigrant and a bastardized interpretation of the Civil War Amendments (specifically the 14th). I forget the details.
The bottom-line "birthright citizenship" has not been fully legally vetted and challenged all the way to SCOTUS as a single issue...just kind of accepted.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:26 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Dangerous precedent.
Opens future Congress to change anything you’ve implemented
Or it puts everything needed into law
Maybe this is the end of the Dems.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:26 am to ChewyDante
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Then it goes to the USSC and this issue gets settled once and for all.
We would probably just get a narrow ruling that he doesn’t have the authority to do it. Then we would basically be back to having congress do it and then back up to the SCOTUS.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:27 am to GumboPot
It's actually from Plyer, which was in 1982. One of many debacles from Justice Brennan.
This post was edited on 11/7/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:28 am to lsuguy84
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Good start, but let’s get these things passed into law. That only gets us to the next administration, who can get rid of it.
Representatives have already said that is the plan, but it's not like it's up to Trump to get it through Congress or the Senate. We'll see what they do with it, but getting these ED'S done day 1 is how things are going to be done from now on.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:30 am to FreddieMac
Brandon did shite and didn’t give a fuk. So we must follow precedence.
This post was edited on 11/7/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:31 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
some random judge by the rio grande area is going to put a nationwide injection on this to keep it from going into effect.
Or they will say that he can't stop it with an EO
Or they will say that he can't stop it with an EO
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:32 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
At some point, I’m sure through some court ruling,the definition of “Natural born citizen” has been altered. In the ‘60’s and ‘70’s I was taught in school it required birth by both parents being “natural born citizens. Birth citizenship was not allowed. Foreigners could become “naturalized” citizens but not natural born citizens . I believe we are one of a handful or less of nations that allow birthright citizenship. The founders were strictly against this as they believed it nurtured dual loyalty. This video is 10 minutes long but the lady spells it out very clearly with documentation.
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:37 am to ChewyDante
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Then it goes to the USSC and this issue gets settled once and for all. This should have happened 30 some odd fricking years ago but our elected officials have been utter cowards.
Didn't the USSC uphold an Obama executive order on 'Dreamers' who are nothing but children of Illegal Immigrants? Its odd how Obama's executive orders seem to be different from others.
Either way there are Constitutional scholars who argue the actual meaning and intent of the way the birthright citizenship is written and think it can be contested. This was something Trump promised in his first term but never did - challenging Birthright Citizenship.
Taking that away is going to significantly reduce Illegal Immigration because many are just coming here to spit out babies on American soil so they will be allowed to stay by proxy. Enough is enough.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:39 am to FreddieMac
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:39 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Trump to sign Executive Order ending birth right citizenship for kids of illegals on Day 1
WPBTiger
Followed by an immediate injunction by an activist Judge
Posted on 11/7/24 at 9:41 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:If you are here in the USA illegally why would the constitution protect you and your anchor baby?
No way he can do that on his own
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