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Trump reportedly plans to revive the Keystone pipeline
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:07 am
So Obama rejected the pileline in 2015, Trump put it back to work in 2017 and then Biden rejected Trump's mandate and shut the pipeline down. Now Trump says he going to start it back up.
My question - what is required one way or the other to either bulid the thing without stoppage or to can the project never to be heard of again? This back and forth bs is like a couple of third graders arguing at recess while playing.
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My question - what is required one way or the other to either bulid the thing without stoppage or to can the project never to be heard of again? This back and forth bs is like a couple of third graders arguing at recess while playing.
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President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to restore the American energy industry when he transitions back to the White House in January 2025. As part of that vision, Trump will reportedly revive the Keystone XL pipeline, leaving supporters feeling "on cloud nine."
"It's a breath of fresh air. We're running on cloud nine," former Keystone Pipeline worker Bugsy Allen said on "Fox & Friends Weekend," Sunday.
"It will make a big difference as far as your energy cost, your food cost, your gas that you put in your cars. It is actually going to be the primary start of bringing everything… down for the American people that we have suffered so much in the last administration."
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:08 am to Homesick Tiger
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what is required one way or the other to either bulid the thing without stoppage or to can the project never to be heard of again?
You build it.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:09 am to GoldenGuy
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You build it.
It appears it's not that simple.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:10 am to Homesick Tiger
Could “the camps” be built alongside it and the border wall?
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:10 am to Homesick Tiger
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It appears it's not that simple.
It takes a long time to get it permitted and then actually built. If Trump started on Day 1 he might be able to get far enough down the road that they can't roll it back
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:17 am to Homesick Tiger
Obama and Biden both wanted us dependent on foreign oil. So both of them worked as hard as they could to make it so.
Trump has already proven that he's the exact opposite. And made us a leader in domestic oil production.
When gas prices are low, a lot of industries thrive. Cost of living is cut in that area. And we make money selling it, instead of burning money having to buy it from other countries.
Trump has already proven that he's the exact opposite. And made us a leader in domestic oil production.
When gas prices are low, a lot of industries thrive. Cost of living is cut in that area. And we make money selling it, instead of burning money having to buy it from other countries.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:18 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Most likely an act of congress signed into law by the POTUS.
what is required one way or the other to either bulid the thing without stoppage or to can the project never to be heard of again?
That would make much more difficult for a succeeding President to unilaterally cancel it again.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:24 am to LSURussian
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Most likely an act of congress signed into law by the POTUS.
Thanks. That's what I figured. Time for somebody to go to work and get it done.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:27 am to Homesick Tiger
It's kind of the same thing with the US space program over the last 60 years. Ever 4 or 8 years their missions, funding, and priorities get reshuffled.
Any project or industry that takes longer than 4 years to complete from initiation to go-live is difficult in today's political climate. Just the uncertainty that in 4 years everything we are working on might get shut down stymies projects and innovation.
Any project or industry that takes longer than 4 years to complete from initiation to go-live is difficult in today's political climate. Just the uncertainty that in 4 years everything we are working on might get shut down stymies projects and innovation.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:29 am to Homesick Tiger
I saw an interview with the CEO of whatever company it was that was attempting to build it. They lost billions on the project and he straight up said no way will they resume construction given their losses due to politics.
I don’t think it will be easy to recruit another company willing to take on this risk.
I don’t think it will be easy to recruit another company willing to take on this risk.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:32 am to Homesick Tiger
Can the permitting issues be transferred to State jurisdictions? Take executive action to transfer involved Federal lands to the local State and let the States work together to move it along.
The Fracking Revolution happened on private land where Obama couldn't stop it. That is the key. Make it a non-federal project.
The Fracking Revolution happened on private land where Obama couldn't stop it. That is the key. Make it a non-federal project.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:35 am to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:47 am to Homesick Tiger
Going to have to do something to make investors comfortable that someone won't shut it down in 29
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/24/24 at 11:52 am to Homesick Tiger
Who benefits by the pipeline NOT being built? My understanding is the Canadian oil is currently shipped by rail (less efficient and more dangerous than a pipeline).
Whoever owns the RR is making bank. The pipeline would end that.
I believe that would be Warren Buffet:
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Wiki doesn't say Buffett's RR ships the oil but that is what I have been led to believe.
BNSF RR
Whoever owns the RR is making bank. The pipeline would end that.
I believe that would be Warren Buffet:
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i]The BNSF Railway Company is the principal operating subsidiary of parent company Burlington Northern Santa Fe, LLC. Headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas, the railroad's parent company is a wholly owned subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, Inc., of Omaha, Nebraska.[4[/i]
Wiki doesn't say Buffett's RR ships the oil but that is what I have been led to believe.
BNSF RR
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:02 pm to Homesick Tiger
... this would be something amazing ...
I worked on the Keystone project back in 1977 - 1978
1978 at the infancy of Keystone.
I worked for Shell Oil in Houston
did not in my wildest dreams , ever thought it would take this long
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:11 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Trump reportedly plans to revive the Keystone pipeline
The Democrat donors sure wanted that project halted asap, it was one of the first executive orders Biden signed.
Time to fast rack the permit process and get that pipeline finished.
Corruption and politics was obviously involved in shutting it down.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:25 pm to Fat Man
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Who benefits by the pipeline NOT being built? ...
... I believe that would be Warren Buffet:
Yeah, I recall reading a lengthy article several years ago that discussed some of the political machinations around the pipeline and it's opposition. And the BNSF & Buffett were discussed as beneficiaries of not building/using it.
I don't have any deep knowledge on the subject and it was too long ago for me to remember the exact details of the article, but my probably flawed memory wants to make the case that it isn't an accident that:
1) Buffett bought BNSF in 2010
2) Buffett was a big Obama backer and even headlines at least one big fundraiser for his 2012 reelection.
NBC News article on Buffett led fundraiser
3) Obama later rejects Keystone Pipeline plan.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:26 pm to Wolfwireless
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Obama wanted us dependent on foreign oil.
fify
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:28 pm to KosmoCramer
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takes a long time to get it permitted
That's the easy part. Trump can get that changed almost immediately. Gov regs that hold up these projects can be reviewed and taken away (if the EPA is what you are mentioning here)
Posted on 11/24/24 at 12:45 pm to PaulDrake
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The Democrat donors sure wanted that project halted asap, it was one of the first executive orders Biden signed.
Nebraska’s Republican Governor, Senator’s, and legislature wanted Obama to deny the pipeline permit. They wanted an alternative route through Nebraska’s Sandhills. The new pipeline route moved it 19 miles, but that didn’t change anything.
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