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re: Treason is an understatement. This is something else entirely.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:18 am to Placekicker
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:18 am to Placekicker
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Trump is telling us that Obama tried to start WW3,
Do you seriously believe that Obama wanted a WW3 that very well could have gone nuclear? I don't like the guy and I don't think he cares that much about the US but don't turn him into a cartoon. He's not Doctor Evil, he's just a selfish, conceited prick that someone installed in the WH and he's cashed in on it.
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:23 am to Flats
Yes, they believe this stuff. Lead around by the nose by Twitter bros.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:30 am to Placekicker
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Trump is telling us that Obama tried to start WW3, and we just prevented it.
The Trump cult is demanding that each member go completely into a fantasy world. This is crazy shite here.
The only hope I have for this country is that there appears to be a growing percentage of the population that is snapping out of it.
The book of essays “Living in Truth” by Václav Havel is great collection that can help clear away the fog.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:33 am to Flats
quote:
Do you seriously believe that Obama wanted a WW3 that very well could have gone nuclear?
Obama who refused to do anything in Ukraine as Russia stole Crimea, mind you, out of concerns for escalation (that could have gone nuclear).
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I rarely agree with you, but sadly you are 100% correct on this one. Trump folded
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wat da hell?
I said what I said
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:09 am to Placekicker
This is not a comment on the merits (or lack thereof) concerning the current MoU (whose framework is undeniably vague) nor is it an opinion about the President or the Iranian regime. These are verifiable facts spanning back ~50 years and I have no vested emotional interest in these. IMO, these things are rarely discussed at any great length.
Apart from any assertion that there was collusion, bribery or treason, the $1.7B could have potentially been up to $10B if the U.S. lost the decision at The Hague Tribunal. The Hague allegedly was about to make a final decision after a diplomatic channel opened around nuclear discussions. An initial $400M was paid by Iran for military fighters but never delivered because of the Iranian revolution. The initial $400M plus $1.3B in interest was the result of arbitration after these diplomatic channels had been reopened.
Experts and analysts of every stripe were in agreement that the U.S. would likely lose and could have to pay the additional $9B of accrued interests over ~40 years. Sanctions on Iranian banks prevented wire transfers, thus the cash. Whether there was collusion and nefarious schemes and plotting is not relevant to the fact that the money was indeed Iran’s. The timing of arbitration/JCPOA and the release of U.S. hostages is indeed controversial and at some point some conclusive material/provable crimes may be revealed. Whatever amount of money Iran receives (or not), complete sanction relief of frozen Iranian international assets could return nearly $100B to them.
If any of this is incorrect, please offer corrections.
Apart from any assertion that there was collusion, bribery or treason, the $1.7B could have potentially been up to $10B if the U.S. lost the decision at The Hague Tribunal. The Hague allegedly was about to make a final decision after a diplomatic channel opened around nuclear discussions. An initial $400M was paid by Iran for military fighters but never delivered because of the Iranian revolution. The initial $400M plus $1.3B in interest was the result of arbitration after these diplomatic channels had been reopened.
Experts and analysts of every stripe were in agreement that the U.S. would likely lose and could have to pay the additional $9B of accrued interests over ~40 years. Sanctions on Iranian banks prevented wire transfers, thus the cash. Whether there was collusion and nefarious schemes and plotting is not relevant to the fact that the money was indeed Iran’s. The timing of arbitration/JCPOA and the release of U.S. hostages is indeed controversial and at some point some conclusive material/provable crimes may be revealed. Whatever amount of money Iran receives (or not), complete sanction relief of frozen Iranian international assets could return nearly $100B to them.
If any of this is incorrect, please offer corrections.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Obama unfroze $1.7B in Iran's money on the conditions they behaved and followed his deal
This is incorrect. It was a legal settlement payment through the Iran–U.S. Claims Tribunal. This was not a political deal based on behavior by Iran.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:27 am to Placekicker
Yes, the distraction for how bad this MOU is is working perfectly it seems.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wait till you find out how Trump just agreed to do this same thing on a MUCH larger scale
As evidenced by???
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:28 am to Pragmatist2025
Also, concerning the President’s speech: wire transfers from the U.S. treasury were made to Switzerland and converted into foreign currency of various types, as sanctions would not allow the U.S. to use actual dollars. They were indeed loaded onto pallets and flown in on Cargo planes. So, technically, there were pallets of cash, just not a “Breaking Bad” pile, and there was never any money physically removed from any local banks.
Additionally, the withdrawal from the JCPOA in 2018 did not ‘terminate’ the agreement. Irregardless of the deal being terrible, the other signatories did not withdraw and Iran remained in compliance with all of the terms until nearly a year later in 2019 according to the IAEA.
Additionally, the withdrawal from the JCPOA in 2018 did not ‘terminate’ the agreement. Irregardless of the deal being terrible, the other signatories did not withdraw and Iran remained in compliance with all of the terms until nearly a year later in 2019 according to the IAEA.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:34 am to Placekicker
quote:This did not happen. Congressional hearings verified that several wire transfers from the Treasury were made to Switzerland and converted to physical foreign currency.
Obama cleaned out banks in Virginia, DC, and Maryland, and gave Iran $1.7 billion in straight cash.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:36 am to Crimson1st
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As evidenced by???
The MOU
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Wait till you find out how Trump just agreed to do this same thing on a MUCH larger scale
that will coincide with our figuring out that your not a lawyer but an unemployed lunatic on social security disability who's posted half a million on this website!
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:43 am to Pragmatist2025
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Iran remained in compliance with all of the terms until nearly a year later in 2019 according to the IAEA.
What about the inspectors?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:50 am to AC1221
quote:These assets were being held in international banks as funds are normally kept in the banks of the countries that they do business with.
The 50-100 billion was unfrozen assets.
After accounting for their national debts, Iran had access to about $40B. President Trump ordered new sanctions after his election, $100B of their funds were frozen in international banks once again. Various reports about unfreezing these assets under the MoU claim that there will be incremental releases. Personally, I don’t ever see this happening nor an actual following through on the MoU.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:58 am to loogaroo
quote:They were allowed access to the “big 3” facilities (snap inspections). Energy, research, and military facilities were given a 24 day notice though, per the agreement.
What about the inspectors?
In 2019, some of these facilities contained trace amounts of uranium that exceeded the agreement. Eventually sensors (2025) began detecting the >60% enriched gas, some trace amounts even higher.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Wait till you find out how Trump just agreed to do this same thing on a MUCH larger scale
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Trump is fooling you again, fool. 
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:03 am to Placekicker
Trump can spin the most absurd fantasy and there are always fools who willingly lap it up as gospel. I don’t think there’s been anything else like it in the history of the republic..,
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