re: Thoughts on the Movie, Oppenheimer

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Do you know when Hirohito stepped down as Emperor? When he died in 1989.

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He had to give up his divine status as a God to Japan as part of the terms of peace. That was out of the question until the bomb was dropped.

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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Don't you kinda refute this with this...

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But there would be no occupation of Japanese soil, thus assuring continuance of the imperial system and Hirohito’s seat on the throne. In view of Germany’s renewed war after the Treaty of Versailles, there is zero chance US leaders would have accepted that framework to end the war.

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He had to give up his divine status as a God to Japan as part of the terms of peace. That was out of the question until the bomb was dropped.

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That is a far cry from an unconditional surrender, though.

Why was anything short of unconditional surrender off the table in June, but, after demonstrating thoroughly destructive capabilities, the US accepted conditional surrender?

Was the US in a weaker position relative to the Japanese in August of 1945 vs in June of 1945? Why would their negotiating position diminish given their clear superiority?

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Do not buy the left wing bullshite that the movie is somehow illustrating that we dropped the bomb only bc we had spent so much money and Japan was about to surrender anyway.

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I’m not going to insult your intelligence because you may very well know a lot about this subject, but I would definitely recommend you check out some more contemporary examples of this topic.

From History.com

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A postwar constitution preserved the monarchy but defined the emperor as a mere symbol of the state. All political power went to elected representatives. Unlike many among his top military brass, Hirohito was not indicted as a war criminal, in part because U.S. authorities feared it could throw their occupation into chaos. From 1945 to 1951, Hirohito toured the country and oversaw reconstruction efforts. The American occupation ended in 1952, after which Hirohito served largely in the background while Japan went through a period of rapid economic growth. He died on January 7, 1989, having spent nearly 64 years on the throne—the longest imperial reign in Japanese history. To this day, Hirohito’s wartime record remains a subject of much debate.

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Hirohito was a figurehead after WW2 like the monarchy in the UK with elected representative government. Far cry from US accepting a continued imperial system.

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

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Link is from US Dept of Energy.

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Is this the same US that knew the Japs were on their way to attack Pearl Harbor?

Why would we believe anything they say?

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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Interesting. What was the difference in terms?

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Why would their negotiating position diminish given their clear superiority?

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Moscow.

We wanted peace with Japan on our terms. Not on Moscows terms, and without giving Moscow any sort of concession like what occurred at Potsdam.

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2- Do not buy the left wing bullshite that the movie is somehow illustrating that we dropped the bomb only bc we had spent so much money and Japan was about to surrender anyway.

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That racist fiction writer NikoleHanna Jones has been pushing this silly narrative for quite a while. As usual with her, with zero sourcing or proof.