re: Thoughts on the Movie, Oppenheimer

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ut we should have dropped the first bomb on Tokyo, then the second one on Moscow

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If atomic/nuclear weapons are the answer, then everyone that has them should use them on their enemies. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Please give me a link or a reference to a book or anything to back this up. Everything I was taught said the opposite

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He has a very different interpretation of "almost identical terms" than I do.

The US wrote the Japanese constitution. That most certainly was not a part of the conditions Japan wanted.

1- The Deep State needs to be obliterated. Torn out Root and Branch.

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There are so many things that science and its progress could lead to that are a pandora's box (ex AI), that ethics in science are a MUST. And that issue is fascinating.

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Somewhere back in a Physics class I was told that about 1/2 the scientists theorized that the nuclear reaction would not end until the earth was consumed by it.

I never verified the info but I did consider.....
and they set it off anyway?

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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You are correct. The only difference in the terms were "un" but thats a pretty important prefix.

As in unconditional surrender versus surrender with various and sundry conditions.

That "un" though small is quite a large difference

Watched a history channel doc like 20 years ago that said the emporer had to smuggle a recording of him surrendering out bc his troops were do or die

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I never verified the info but I did consider..... and they set it off anyway?


This issue was discussed in movie and was one of its most haunting themes/metaphors.

Really. Go to see it and go to see it in the theater. You won’t be able to stop thinking about it. It’s impactful and challenging in myriad ways. It’s excellent.

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There was an old movie about the Manhattan project, the name escapes me but there is a scene where they are about to test it and all the scientists are discussing what will happen....it could cause a massive fireball, it could cause an ash cloud that blocks the sun and causes a freeze. They ask the last scientist and he says "Im not sure, but I hope....God has mercy on my soul for what we have made".

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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Almost

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After you read Dr. Mary’s Money please read the book by Lee Harvey Oswald’s mistress named Lee and Me.

The author of Lee and Me was a brillent Fla.high school scholar who was promised a medical school education to do science experiments into cancer and was sucked up into a CIA plot to kill Castro of Cuba.

Don’t have time to tell you anymore but the women went into hiding from the government cause she knew too much about how Oswald was framed.

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Judyth Vary Baker is a World Class fraud.

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It was probably meant to be a message to both Japan and the Soviets that you best not frick with us.

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My family was close friends with James F Byrnes and his wife Miss Maude and I actually spend much of my childhood in their former house on Otis Blvd in Spartanburg because my parents bought the house from them when they moved to Columbia. The Byrnes used to come to visit once or twice a year when they were back in Spartanburg and he and my father used to discuss WWII because my father enjoyed military history. Unfortunately, I was too young to be interested in military history that didn't include talk of tanks or fighter planes but I remember them talking for hours while I did something inane like play with Hot Wheels.

Years later when I got interested in military history my father related some of the things they talked about. JFB was instrumental as SOS punching the use of the bomb. My father, never known for hyperbole, told me JFB felt there was about a 50/50 chance of Japan surrendering prior to a land invasion but demonstrating the bomb to the world was paramount in limiting Russian expansionism after the war which was one of his largest concerns.

In any event, the dropping of the bombs assuredly saved US lives and almost certainly saved net Japanese lives. I personally think it was the right decision but I also know that it may not have been, but there is little use other than mental exercise to argue it. I do think if we had not dropped at least one bomb somebody would have had to in order for them to create the fear that ultimately culminated in MAD. Better by us than on us.

I really wish I had tape recordings of those conversations even if they were just for my own enjoyment.

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joshnorris14

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Ive been on this board 15 years. Can't say I've ever seen someone fight so hard to be proven an idiot.