re: Thoughts on the Movie, Oppenheimer

This movie does nothing more than to try and rehabilitate Oppenheimer’s legacy. Is he a hero for inventing the bomb ? Yes. Was he a communist sympathizer ? Yes. Did the communists he associated with lull him into a false sense of security that lead to him and many others being naive to heir ultimate goals ? Yes. Did this naïveté’ cause Ollie to have lax security during and after the WW2? Yes. Did he actively argue and fight against tighter security ? Yes

Lewis Strauss , like many others , saw the communists are the true threat. He lobbied against sharing nuclear secrets with the UK. He argued for
tighter security. He did all of this as far back as 1943. He knew exactly what would happen if the Soviet’s developed a bomb. He knew , like others, that they couldn’t without stealing the design from the US. He lobbied to utilize B29 to monitor Soviet airspace to detect a detonation. Guess who lobbied against it —Oppie. The monitoring program is how we found out they detonated a device.

The communists have always been the real threat. They still are today and anyone who doesn’t think so is just as naive. They play the slow game. The lull you into a false sense of security , the entire time plotting and strategizing on how to normalize various aspects of government and life. They seduced Oppie with sex and discussions of a utopian society. Of course no one discussed with him the various Stalin pre WW2 purges where he killed millions of his own people. I am sure bay here are people on this board who don’t know that Stalin murdered more people than Hitler or that the overall Soviet murder count between 1917—1991 is 3-4 times that of Nazi Germany. The Chinese Communist murder count is even higher than the Soviet’s. Better study your history and stop arguing over whether we should or should not have dropped the bomb. We saved a million plus lives by dropping it and that is a fact that cannot be argued.

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The movie is a study in the dangers of making scientists part of the government bc ultimately these scientists have to become politicians to survive. I

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So how do you feel about government funding of scientific research?

They were considering it. The bomb sure as hell made it happen.

August 10, Japan declared its intention to surrender.

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The general interpretation of the intercepts at the time was that Japan might be on the road to surrender, and they perceived there was a sympathetic “peace party” in their high command, but that Japan was ultimately not yet ready to accept unconditional surrender.

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The Japanese offered surrender an almost identical terms two months prior to the bombings.

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They did not. You are categorically WRONG.

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The origin of the Deep State was what they did to Oppenheimer.

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Nope. It goes back to our founding and the argument about the purpose and size of the Federal Government. That argument, lost by Jefferson to Alexander Hamilton, was an argument over whether to have limited government or a Deep State.

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Japan might have to give up her overseas conquests and endure a period of disarmament. But there would be no occupation of Japanese soil, thus assuring continuance of the imperial system and Hirohito’s seat on the throne.

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And you think these terms were about the same as those of the actual surrender?

Buddy, the only acceptable terms were the ones of the surrender: UNCONDITIONAL.

After the peace America occupied Japan. We did whatever we wanted to do. That is UNCONDITIONAL surrender.

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Thoughts on the Movie, Oppenheimer

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I saw it as soon as it came out.

Interesting side story. Our theater (Regal) is having major finance issues. They had Barbie going on multiple screens, but shut Oppenheimer showings down several times d/t "lack of personnel" to run the projectors. Helluva business model!

Anyway, I was braced for the worst (Christopher Nolen did Dunkirk which was awful), and came away pleasantly surprised. Going in, I was hoping for more Manhattan Project focus. In fact, given the Dunkirk abomination, if I'd realized the whole emphasis would be personal/social rather than science/logistics, I'd have probably skipped it. But, in the Oppenheimer effort, they did a decent job documenting history instead of rewriting it. In fact, for Hollywood, they did an unbelievably good job.

There really was nothing in the film I'd take issue with including the portrayal of Lewis Strauss (evil Republican), and assertions that JFK (enlightened Democrat) planned to pardon him.

Good movie. Enjoyable. Accurate.

The Deep State will be destroyed and replaced with a Deep State. That is how it works

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They did not know this.

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Unfortunately, they almost assuredly did. We knew. The Brits did as well. By Dec 1941, the Brits were reading JN-25 out of Singapore in realtime. Despite Taranto, neither the US or UK had an inkling as to the actual threat Japanese naval air power posed to traditional battleship groups though.

Has politics broken you so much, that you can't review a great movie without mentioning leftist, the deep state, etc. over and over again? If you have a great meal, are you burdened by the thought that the chef my be a leftist? Or if you watch a great football game, does the fact that the players may be Democrats spoil the victory for you? Geesh..