re: The Secret Service officer fired five shots with his handgun at WHCD. None hit the target.

Being objective, Im sure the ambush and birdshot were a factor. If you do sustain a fragment to your vest I would hope that your instincts help u focus in (cause your pissed) and fight or flight adrenaline kicks in. Your target is maybe 12ft away, then 8ft away then 4ft away.... you really should be able to hit SOME portion of the 6 foot moving target.

As we get older, it’s easy to forget how fast and agile young men can be. I’ve seen old men confidently say a six foot chain link fence would keep people out on its own.

It’s also important to note that this was the first checkpoint and the shooter didn’t ever get close to the stage.

Another poster mentioned in another thread about having a serpentine route to get through the checkpoints.

I know this was SS and not LEO but watch some UTube videos.

I've seen a cop empty his pistol at close range at a perps back and hit nothing.

I saw a group of LEOs discharge 30 rounds at a running perp and they all hit the ground halfway between them and him.

I train weekly in tactical situations, I'd like to think I would have done better, but it's hard to replicate being hit in the chest before hand.

This has to be the guy that got shot and it hit his vest.

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but there's no reason to believe the USSS is a high functioning organization right now.

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It hasn't been for a long time. Remember when Obama was President and a guy got over the fence at the White House, across the lawn, through the front door, and to the base of the steps leading up to the living quarters before he was stopped? According to the report, dogs weren't released for fear that the dog would go after an agent.

"The Washington Post reported that "crash boxes," alarms placed throughout the White House as a first alert system, were muted at the request of the usher's office because of noise complaints. A spokesperson for the office stated that they suspected the alarms were not working properly and going off when they weren't supposed to. Additionally, when the outside could not get to Gonzalez, a guard dog was supposed to be released in an attempt to stop the intruder, but the dog was not released."

About a week earlier, when Obama was at the CDC in Atlanta, a security guard was allowed to get on an elevator with Obama and started acting unprofessionally, taking photos, etc. The Secret Service didn't learn until later that the guy also had a gun. The Secret Service director..again, a woman...was forced to resign after these two incidents. A woman had been appointed after the scandal over the hookers in Colombia.

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The agency probably hasn't been high functioning since Frank Horrigan took that bullet for the President.

So what you are saying is he/she/it better find a new job.

You guys are nuts. The security plan worked. The attacker always gets to choose the time and place so the initial attack will always be somewhat successful which is why the SS uses multiple layers.

And the protection you guys all believe should be in place can’t happen in a free society. The government can not simply walk into the Washington Hilton and kick everyone out of their rooms and close the hotel for a week because you guys think it’s crazy that a US citizen can freely walk around a hotel that a politician will be at later. Now, in North Korea, Iran, Russia, Cuba you are darn right the government security apparatus will just take anything over. And then you’d whine about that if they emptied a football game you were attending,

I was in a foreign country hotel in a non democracy country for work and the entire hotel was taken over and all guests were relocated to another hotel all for a politician. Is that what you want here?

And what you guys don’t realize is the SS does not make the rules. I’m sure they would love to not have events at hotels but the politicians tell them what they are doing not the other way around. And the minute the SS does something the host hotel doesn’t like they call the staff and media and put the pressure to change it. You think SS wanted Clinton to jog around the mall and stop at McD’s all the time or that they wanted Obama to just pop out of the White House to walk the streets of DC? Or Trump doing outdoor rallies? The outdoor rallies have stopped because the staff finally agreed with the SS that maybe it isn’t the best idea. The SS has always not wanted outdoor events.

The guy was stopped at the checkpoint so the plan worked. That he was able to sprint 15 yards before being tackled is a non issue because the check point was not 15 yards from the POTUS and the surprise factor was taken into account in the security plan.

The only people who fell back and didn’t advance to the shooter were the TSA people who were assisting the mag team. They aren’t there to protect the POTUS. They are there to run the mags. This has already been reported.

secret service agents are 0-9 with handgun shots this year and 1-1 with rifle shots.