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The New York Times, a former newspaper, makes an impassioned case against Free Speech
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:08 pm
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At this point let Your Humble Pimpness briefly interject to
Got that. It's not Free Speech. It's magically become something called "Conservative speech" which the former newspaper NYT assures us is dastardly. And we should all be concerned about all this "Conservative speech", which as you know is far different from the more Correct Liberal Speech, which is they assure us, the real Free Speech.
So to recap: A former newspaper says Free Speech by liberals is essential to justice and Free Speech by Conservatives is a bludgeon or club of injustice.
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Weaponizing the First Amendment: How Free Speech Became a Conservative Cudgel
The two decisions were the latest in a stunning run of victories for a conservative agenda that has increasingly been built on the foundation of free speech. Conservative groups, borrowing and building on arguments developed by liberals, have used the First Amendment to justify unlimited campaign spending, discrimination against gay couples and attacks on the regulation of tobacco, pharmaceuticals and guns.
“When I was younger, I had more of the standard liberal view of civil liberties,” said Louis Michael Seidman, a law professor at Georgetown. “And I’ve gradually changed my mind about it. What I have come to see is that it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.”
To the contrary, free speech reinforces and amplifies injustice, Catharine A. MacKinnon, a law professor at the University of Michigan, wrote in “The Free Speech Century,” a collection of essays to be published this year.
“Once a defense of the powerless, the First Amendment over the last hundred years has mainly become a weapon of the powerful,” she wrote. “Legally, what was, toward the beginning of the 20th century, a shield for radicals, artists and activists, socialists and pacifists, the excluded and the dispossessed, has become a sword for authoritarians, racists and misogynists, Nazis and Klansmen, pornographers and corporations buying elections.”
At this point let Your Humble Pimpness briefly interject to
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The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a larger share of First Amendment cases concerning conservative speech than earlier courts had, according to the study prepared for The Times. And it has ruled in favor of conservative speech at a higher rate than liberal speech as compared to earlier courts.
Got that. It's not Free Speech. It's magically become something called "Conservative speech" which the former newspaper NYT assures us is dastardly. And we should all be concerned about all this "Conservative speech", which as you know is far different from the more Correct Liberal Speech, which is they assure us, the real Free Speech.
So to recap: A former newspaper says Free Speech by liberals is essential to justice and Free Speech by Conservatives is a bludgeon or club of injustice.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:11 pm to Lsupimp
The left will eat this shite up.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:13 pm to Lsupimp
Ahhh the failed New York Times
Never change
Never change
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:14 pm to Lsupimp
This is dangerous, and it’s a direct result of the left creating a category of speech called “hate speech”.
Now that they’ve defined the category and demonized it, they can move any kind of speech they don’t agree with into that category.
Now that they’ve defined the category and demonized it, they can move any kind of speech they don’t agree with into that category.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:14 pm to Lsupimp
Has anyone been imprisoned by the government for something they've said or written? Did I miss something?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:16 pm to Lsupimp
The left weaponizes the FBI, DOJ, and IRS and the right gets blamed for weaponizing the 1st amendment...wow
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:16 pm to Lsupimp
You have liberal academics who fought for free speech in the 1960's and 1970's now stating that it's a danger when conservative viewpoints are being defended by the Court. This is viewpoint discrimination and precisely why the Supreme Court is so important. If it were up to American liberals, we'd have speech codes more draconian and authoritarian than those in the U.K.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:18 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Has anyone been imprisoned by the government for something they've said or written? Did I miss something?
Not since Obama left office.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:26 pm to Lsupimp
How many Nazis and Klansmen are there in the US now, like 32?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:28 pm to Damone
It's the "racists and misogynists" part that should worry us. As we have all learned by now the definition of both is whatever any random Progressive decides it is on any given day.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:30 pm to Lsupimp
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it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.” To the contrary, free speech reinforces and amplifies injustice,
Had these quotes come from your average naive SJW, it would be laughable.
But coming from instructors at 2 of the best law schools in the country, it’s infuriating, terrifying, and baffling that one can be intelligent enough to reach the positions that these two hold but also at the same absolutely fricking retarded.
Maybe we got rid of McCarthy too quickly.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:51 pm to Lsupimp
Can regressives make a logical argument without adding..
It's obvious their position is weak, so they use the same BS names over and over.
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has become a sword for authoritarians, racists and misogynists, Nazis and Klansmen, pornographers and corporations buying elections.”
It's obvious their position is weak, so they use the same BS names over and over.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:55 pm to Lsupimp
This is a classic leftist move.
When something turns against you, redefine it.
When something turns against you, redefine it.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:56 pm to Dead End
I am baffled about how to continue to effectively insult them when their own words daily make them look worse than any slur I can hurl at them. I am flummoxed.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 8:59 pm to gthog61
That is the essential beauty of The Trump Effect. He has caused them all to declare themselves and then wreck themselves. It's beautiful. Now they are openly advocating against Free Speech. I love it.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 9:03 pm to Lsupimp
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Conservatives, said Justice Kagan, who is part of the court’s four-member liberal wing, were “weaponizing the First Amendment.”
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The New York Times
Posted on 6/30/18 at 9:03 pm to Lsupimp
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it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.”
To the contrary, free speech reinforces and amplifies injustice
How do people with law degrees say something like this?
If I went to the local university and typed in 'first amendment' to the library search, I could go pull an entire cart of books off the shelf in ten minutes and each one would completely disagree with that. I can't even imagine how many state, federal, and scotus cases could be pulled to contradict it as well.
That is pure insanity.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 9:06 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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But coming from instructors at 2 of the best law schools in the country
Seems like proof they are not among the best law schools in the country.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 9:07 pm to Lsupimp
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The New York Times, a former newspaper
Thanks for citing properly
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Free Speech by liberals is essential to justice and Free Speech by Conservatives is a bludgeon or club of injustice.
shite is incredible. A basic tenet of classical liberalism has been castigated as a conservative cudgel by lunatic leftists.
What a time to be alive
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