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re: The New York Times, a former newspaper, makes an impassioned case against Free Speech

Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:55 am to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:55 am to
quote:

i understand that a juridical entity has some legal differences with an individual, but do those differences create a distinction that should strip rights away, too?


I’m not saying I disagree with the ruling.

I just think that if a corporation is going to be considered different from an individual in some arenas (legal, taxation, etc.) then the conversation about its other rights should be fair game.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42596 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:56 am to
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quote:
fter looking into it more I do agree with the ruling. They misrepresented the ruling in that article. Thanks for pointing that out to me
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nbd. that view is common and i basically have that post copied in my head ready to paste


Thanks for posting that - I was not in favor of the ruling even though it seemed to benefit my side.

I was totally unaware it did not apply to campaigns, but only to individuals.

I am still not comfortable with it, but that small clarification makes the bulk of my concern go away.

Why has this not been the rebuttal argument in all the TV panels? not even on FNC have I seen this expounded on.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21590 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:59 am to
Free speech was one of the best tools minorities have had in the past to voice their outrage over injustices.

Imagine if women didn't have freedom of speech to protest voting rights, or blacks and civil rights issues.

If/when this mindset goes mainstream is when the shite hits the fan.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:01 am to
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And, as it concerns rights, the right of freedom of speech is a limitation on government action not a positive right for use by entities, individual or juridical.


Ahhhh that makes sense. I understand your reasoning now
This post was edited on 7/1/18 at 10:04 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:07 am to
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Ahhhh that makes sense. I understand your reasoning now


Whenever I talk about Constitutional Law to someone new to the subject I always start with its most basic premise - the Constitution defines the power and limitations of government, not private entities. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:17 am to
That makes perfect sense

It’s almost embarrassing that I didn’t understand that, and I have a graduate level education. Just makes you wonder how many people just don’t understand our right and laws. It also makes you wonder what if they did?

Learn something new everyday
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48357 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:18 am to
I wonder if Secession will happen once the Left completely squashes dissident speech here in the USA?
This post was edited on 7/1/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34670 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 11:02 am to
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We need campaign finance reform in this country in the worst way.


You got a little of that in the recent union decision by the USSC.

You're welcome.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:30 am to
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 4:31 am
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78635 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:36 am to
Whew. That was close. I felt a hysterical filthy Prog- like tantrum coming on. I was about to doxx some fools an shite.

Also- there is no way Rush isn’t all over this one today. This one ( once again we see The Trump Effect ) has caused them to reveal their inherent hostility to Free Speech and the two separate systems they would arrange for Progressives and everybody else.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 8:43 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422486 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:56 am to
quote:

I just think that if a corporation is going to be considered different from an individual in some arenas (legal, taxation, etc.) then the conversation about its other rights should be fair game.


i said that

the issue is what differences in the entities (juridical v natural) justify removing the protections these rights offer

for example, is there a legitimate nexus between free speech and limited liability?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59651 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:56 am to
muh propaganda
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:57 am to
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 4:31 am
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78635 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 9:30 am to
We should do a Trump Effect master list of all the Progressives that revealed themselves and wrecked themselves because of our GEOTUS. Now he has the NYT issuing stern academic warnings against Free Speech. It’s uncanny.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 7/2/18 at 9:36 am to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422486 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:02 am to
Lol

That is exactly what the proofs are promoting ("we are watching your response to Trump and will remember those who coalesced to racists and mysoginists!")

Would be funny to flip it
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78635 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 8:36 pm to
Klavan nailed it right off the bat on his podcast. Killed it.
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