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re: The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution

Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74846 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:04 pm to
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it


want to bet?
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
10012 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:04 pm to
So, two different doctors giving conflicting information. Are we sure this is not about Covid?
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:04 pm to
He either choked him with the knee on the neck cutting off blood and/or air or not.

It was more than just the knee to the neck.

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He identified four main reasons why Floyd died: the handcuffs and the street acting as a "vise;" Chauvin's left knee on his neck; Floyd's prone position; and Chauvin's right knee on Floyd's back, arm and side. Combined, these limited Floyd's ability to expand his lungs and narrowed his hypopharynx, a part of the throat that air passes through.


This might explain why you didn't die either.




Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79427 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:05 pm to
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Even if Chauvin’s actions contributed to the death, they did so in the same manner as a fender bender triggering a heart attack contributes to a death. If you’re at fault in that accident and the other driver dies, you’re in trouble but you didn’t commit murder in any form under any state law.


Even if you intentionally rear end them I would Say in most states that’s not murder it would be manslaughter.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:05 pm to
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it


I didn't think any of the charges he's facing carried a life sentence.

Maybe he gets convicted, but it will only be because the jury is woke, not because they're following the law.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17134 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:08 pm to
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This jury is not letting him walk. He will be found Guilty of something regardless of what any facts show.




I'm hoping for not guilty on all counts, just so I can watch the locals burn down their own city.

But who am I kidding. They will burn shite down either way.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:10 pm to
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Name an argument that can't be made.

The test isn't whether an argument is made, but whether the argument has


So you agree with me then. It would be incorrect for someone to write as the OP did that.
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From a medical perspective, it’s virtually impossible to argue that a person without Floyd’s underlying medical conditions would have died in the same circumstance


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Bad liars nearly always go too far. That's how you can tell they're lying.

Do you think it's at all reasonable that GF's drug use had no impact on his death?


I'm not a pulmonologist. I have absolutely no expertise in that field of study. My assumption prior to hearing from Dr. Tobin was that drug use might matter. Tobin made a very compelling case that it didn't and the defense didn't push back on it. Do you think it's at all reasonable to believe you have more expertise in this area that a veteran pulmonologist?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:10 pm to
Do you not know what reasonable doubt means? Have two doctors argue is basically the definition of it, especially when one is the medical examiner.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37975 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:11 pm to
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it

Ban bet?

I'm in.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38347 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:18 pm to
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I'm not a pulmonologist. I have absolutely no expertise in that field of study. My assumption prior to hearing from Dr. Tobin was that drug use might matter. Tobin made a very compelling case that it didn't and the defense didn't push back on it. Do you think it's at all reasonable to believe you have more expertise in this area that a veteran pulmonologist?

What was his expert witness fee? Did he examine the deceased? Did the ME?
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25227 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:18 pm to
This witness backfired for the prosecution, big time.
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6044 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:19 pm to
Did they highlight the 7 inch height or weight difference?

5'9 150 lb Chauvin (same a Justin Beiber) against someone who was the same height as Gronk or Michael Jordan.

If Justin was kneeling on Jordan's back, Even with Jordan being in his 50s now, and Justin Bieber having those cut abs and a "gangsta disposition".... How long could Justin keep Jordan down?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65777 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:22 pm to
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it


This was never a possibility.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22714 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:22 pm to
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So you agree with me then. It would be incorrect for someone to write as the OP did that.

No. Text is filtering something here.

I'm suggesting that because words are uttered in support of some position, they don't formulate a legitimate argument if they're f'n retarded.

And I'm arguing the quack that testified yesterday and uttered words suggesting that FG's drug use and medical condition played no role in his death was not making a real/legitimate argument.

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Do you think it's at all reasonable to believe you have more expertise in this area that a veteran pulmonologist?

That's not the question, and I think you know it. That that guy is a pulmonoligist and I'm not doesn't mean his lies are medical expertise and my assumptions aren't reasonable.

Do you believe Doctors are capable of lying?

GF died of a heart attack, and that liar testified that a history of heart disease + all those drugs coursing through his system played no role in him having a fatal heart attack. But a knee between the shoulder blades for nine minutes caused the death, and would cause the same for any healthy person. And you're arguing this is reasonable?
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:24 pm to
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Chauvin is going to jail for life


And George Floyd is in hell for life.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173625 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:25 pm to
Was Chauvin unaware that there was a medical emergency taking place?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73374 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:25 pm to
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Problem is, they can't just find him guilty of "something" they can only do so with the charges in front of them (or lesser and included offenses, if applicable in MN). My understanding of the 3 charges, is they are all a reach to begin with.


see jury nullification. That's what's going to happen here IMO. What the laws and facts say is not going to matter.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:28 pm to
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Do you not know what reasonable doubt means? Have two doctors argue is basically the definition of it, especially when one is the medical examiner.




Dr. Andrew Baker
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On the whole, Baker said, "To the best of my knowledge he was generally healthy on May 25 before the events of that evening."


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Floyd's cause of death in Minneapolis was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."



Dr. Lindsey Thomas
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"In this case, I believe the primary mechanism of death is asphyxia, or low oxygen,""The activities of the law enforcement officers resulted in Mr. Floyd's death, and specifically those activities were the subdual restraint and the neck compression,


Dr Bill Smock
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Mr Floyd displayed "air hunger", a term for when the body becomes desperate for oxygen. While a fentanyl overdose can slow down breathing, he said people who are overdosing are not aware that they are lacking oxygen and often appear sleepy. In contrast, he said Mr Floyd appeared to be alert.



David Isenschmid
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while fentanyl was found in Floyd's blood, so was norfentanyl, which is metabolized fentanyl. Overdose victims who die rarely have norfentanyl in their blood


Dr. Martin Tobin
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Four factors led to Floyd's low oxygen level, his prone position on the street;
the handcuffs that pulled his arms back;
a knee on his neck;
a knee on his back and down his side.
"All of these four forces are ultimately going to result in the low tidal volume, which gives you the shallow breaths" that can't effectively bring oxygen into the lungs,


Perhaps your medical expertise leads you to a different conclusion.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28131 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:32 pm to
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see jury nullification. That's what's going to happen here IMO. What the laws and facts say is not going to matter.




A perversion of its intended use, but yeah, probably.
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:35 pm to
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Was Chauvin unaware that there was a medical emergency taking place?


Of course, but the problem is that multiple state's witnesses admitted on cross that they are personally aware of combative subjects resuming their aggression after an interlude. The law enforcement training guides also cover this, which was also admitted by the state's witnesses on cross.

The defense has turned virtually all of this around on them with their own witnesses.
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