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re: The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:24 pm to longwayfromLA
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:24 pm to longwayfromLA
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Of course I'm not in position to have an informed opinion on a question of cardiopulmonary medicine, hence my deference to the 5 experts that I quoted
You should be honest with us (and maybe yourself?) - you forgot to add "... the 5 experts that I quoted that testified in support of the conclusion I have drawn" ... because there are plenty of "experts" that see it differently, but for some reason you're not quoting them.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He might, but at this point it will not be because of anything that did or didn’t happen in the court room. If he goes down after all this he was always going down, because there is an abundance of reasonable doubt at this point.
This feels like the OJ Simpson trial all over again. One segment of society is 'Guilty no doubt' the other segment is 'Reasonable doubt'. Either way, one side is gonna be sorely disappointed. The only question is riots or not?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:27 pm to David_DJS
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GF died of a heart attack
No, he didn’t.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:27 pm to ronricks
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This jury is not letting him walk. He will be found Guilty of something regardless of what any facts show.
Yeah sucks to be Chauvin. Twenty five years ago this would have been a high end civil payout with no prosecution, all along.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:27 pm to coondaddy21
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The worst thing Chauvin did was when he noticed the life going out of him, he continued to stay in the position he was in
There are three key problems for the prosecution here. Their own witnesses have on multiple occasions emphasized that 1. It would be very difficult to distinguish exactly what was happening to GF in that restraint, and 2. Combative perps have a habit of catching a second wind and becoming extremely aggressive. 3. The crowd was aggressive, distracting, and a reasonable officer would have to consider that while trying to restrain a violent perp.
All of those things have been admitted to the defense attorney under cross examination.
Personally, I think the left lateral recumbent position probably WOULD have been used, if people hadn't crowded around and starting behaving aggressively while the police were trying to deal with this very large and uncooperative man.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:29 pm to imjustafatkid
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
This was never a possibility.
Well, if he is sentenced to a year and gets killed while still in prison, then an argument could be made he went to jail for the rest of his life (Ignoring difference between jail and prison in this scenario).
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:30 pm to SigtauTiger985
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Jury nullification is when the jury disregards law when the evidence clearly shows guilt, but they acquit anyway. I don't think that is gonna be applicable here. In my personal opinion, grant it I am not in the courtroom and privy to all the info, there is going reasonable doubt.
jury nullification doesn't have to mean they disregard the law to acquit. That's just the place you commonly see nullification happen. Jury nullification, simply put, is when the jury disregards the laws and facts of the case when rendering their verdict. In this case, I believe a jury will disregard what elements the laws says the jury must find beyond a reasonable doubt and convict Chauvin regardless because that is what society (the media has made sure of this) believes is "right" despite that the law and evidence may prove otherwise
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:30 pm to JackieTreehorn
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And George Floyd is in hell for eternity
fify
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:33 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Twenty five years ago this would have been a high end civil payout with no prosecution, all along.
That’s kinda one of the main reasons we’re where we are.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:34 pm to PsychTiger
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Well, if he is sentenced to a year and gets killed while still in prison, then an argument could be made he went to jail for the rest of his life (Ignoring difference between jail and prison in this scenario).
I guess that's true. At this point I'd be shocked if he even goes to jail.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:38 pm to Aubie Spr96
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This feels like the OJ Simpson trial all over again. One segment of society is 'Guilty no doubt' the other segment is 'Reasonable doubt'. Either way, one side is gonna be sorely disappointed. The only question is riots or not?
You're probably right about this, and it's unfortunate. I think there are real issues in this country with policing. I'm hardly a fan of what Chauvin did, and that video is ugly - even the look on Chauvin's face is contemptible. But we always turn these things into a racial issue, which then "disappears" that actual matters that need to be assessed and discussed.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:41 pm to coondaddy21
quote:You're presuming Chauvin noticed the life going out of him in the first place.
The worst thing Chauvin did was when he noticed the life going out of him, he continued to stay in the position he was in.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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AMS will be here shortly to tell you how you are wrong due to her superior medical knowledge.
Uh - the OP is like an ER doctor or some shite like that.
Doesn’t matter, AMS is the ultimate authority on all things medical. Just ask her.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:51 pm to lsufball19
I understand what you are saying, but that is not jury nullification. To CONVICT based on their own disregard of the law and evidence is possible. But it is not nullification.
"Theories that might be used to provide a basis for nullification include: self-defense; temporary insanity; necessity; justification; entrapment; lack of criminal intent; selective prosecution; and reasonable doubt." (citations omitted)
Freedman, Monroe H. (2014) "Jury Nullification: What It Is and How to Do It Ethically," Hofstra Law Review: Vol. 42 : Iss. 4 , Article 4
"Theories that might be used to provide a basis for nullification include: self-defense; temporary insanity; necessity; justification; entrapment; lack of criminal intent; selective prosecution; and reasonable doubt." (citations omitted)
Freedman, Monroe H. (2014) "Jury Nullification: What It Is and How to Do It Ethically," Hofstra Law Review: Vol. 42 : Iss. 4 , Article 4
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:52 pm to longwayfromLA
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Seems like the doctors that have testified to date disagree with you on these points, especially your last one. But if you medical expertise takes you in another direction...
All of the doctors who have testified to date were prosecution witnesses. The prosecution would be retarded to put up witnesses who didn’t say Chauvin killed Floyd. And supposedly, on cross examination many of those experts said things favorable to the defense, though I have not personally watched any of the trial.
Once the defense gets its turn they will experts who say the drugs killed Floyd and the knee et al. was irrelevant, and the prosecution will get the chance to cross examine them.
The outcome depends on who the jury believes, and it only takes one holdout with reasonable doubt to cause a hung jury.
And that is how trials work.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:55 pm to lsufball19
We're watching the modern version of To Kill a Mockingbird. Everyone knows the facts, but only one side is hoping the jury lets their prejudices override the law.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 4:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
There was some lady who was a witness for the prosecution this morning who said that Mr Floyd was under extreme physical and mental stress. I believe this lady was a doctor, she went on to say Floyd’s body was under the influence of lactic acid, cortisol, etc. from the physical stress of being manhandled to the ground and these chemical imbalances could have contributed to his death. Interestingly, when she was asked if these various hormones/chemical imbalances could be detected in an autopsy she said no. My question if the man died from the combination of asphyxiation and physical stress/hormone/chemical imbalances why couldn’t those hormones/chemical imbalances be detected with an autopsy?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:01 pm to longwayfromLA
So it happened , then the defense and his witness realized it hurt their dog shite narrative , so the lawyer got him to say the opposite.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:03 pm to tduecen
quote:You're crazy.
Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
Even if a jury is intimidated into finding him guilty, an Appeals Court judge will overturn it in a heartbeat.
Everybody that knows anything about the law is saying this, mostly in private.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:06 pm to David_DJS
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I think there are real issues in this country with policing.
There are indeed. The police have been militarized and they too often blindly follow orders from politicians, which has often put both them and civilians at risk.
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