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The problem with this is that if you Kelly benched Daniels now, Daniels, being a rational individual, would immediately quit the team. Put on a redshirt. Hit the transfer portal and come back next year as the starter for Bama or Georgia or to be frank about it, literally any school in the country.

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My point... what you want is not possible

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Obviously Reagan-era corporate, personal, capital gains and estate taxes are full-fledged Marxism, no question about that. But surely they're, like possible.

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I believe you to be a paid shill.

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Ever turned up any of the Krakens you've been looking for? Any day now, right?

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You take issue with violent offenders receiving prison time as repeat offenders when they're brought up on possession charges? Is that really what you were arguing?

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If a violent criminal did his time and got out and then went back to jail because he a dime bag on him, yes, I take issue with that. I don't think anyone should be in jail over weed.

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So Paul Manafort, General Flynn, and all the 1/6 rioters are poor people that get the shitty end of justice, as opposed to, for example, all the wealthy Antifa/BLM rioters using their vast financial resources to get better outcomes from the justice system?

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No. Manafort is a crook, Flynn lied to the FBI and the 1/6 insurrectionists at the very least committed criminal trespassing and many of them did much, much more.

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Yeah, because rational adults need to be told by Fox News that kiddie porn is bad, or that the VP's son jetting around on AF2 to shakedown foreign governments/businesses isn't copacetic.

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The Trump administration investigated him, right? And kiddie porn and extortion are crimes, right? Did they charge him with that? Those are state crimes too. No enterprising DA wanted a shot. Maybe there's no there, there. That said, as I said before if sufficient evidence that he committed a crime were to come out, I'm all for subjected him to the same justice system that the poor are subject to. He's another rich a-hole to me.

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You seem to think unless all conservatives are indicted (for whatever) and no liberals are involved with the justice system, the justice system must be fair and square from a Right/Left balance perspective

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No. I'm saying that your contention that justice is skewed against conservatives is such weak sauce that the first three examples you gave are not just clearly worthy of investigation, but clearly guilty. Last year, there was credible evidence that two Republican Senators committed insider trading by liquidating positions ahead of the COVID crash but after getting private briefings cluing them in on what was coming. Wouldn't they be the single best targets of a Justice System hell bent on hurting conservatives? What about similar insider trading accusations against several members of Trump's cabinet, including McConnell's wife? But you're claiming this grand conspiracy exists because a Republican-led justice department went after Manafort for being a crooked agent of a foreign government(Note: Trump fired Manafort for being a crook and too close to a foreign government), Flynn for lying (Note: Trump fired Flynn for lying), and a bunch of people who filmed themselves committing crimes for committing the crimes found on those films. I mean, i guess.

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Tell me - do you think the IRS was turned against conservatives during Obama?

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I think the IRS is turned against non-rich people in that they are, irrespective of which party is in charge, the rich are rarely audited or even policed despite committing tons of fraud.

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Obama's IRS was caught f'n with Obama's political opponents, and a Republican-led congress did not hold anyone to account.

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In real life, the Republican congress made up a story about about the IRS was differentially targeting conservative political groups who were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. This drove a lot news and made you guys very angry. Both the Republican-led FBI and Republican-led Treasury Department did investigate. And ultimately a Republican FBI Director's report and later a Republican Treasury Dept IG's report both found the IRS was equally targeting liberal groups that were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. But once you guys tells yourselves something, there's no talking you out of it, so here we are all these years later and y'all still believe the initial lie. Oy.

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The vast majority of those imprisoned for possession are either repeat offenders or pled more serious charges down. It’s actually pretty rare for a first time possession offender to get appreciable sentences. And sentences for possession alone are pretty rare, too - in 2017, for example, only 92 of 20,000 federal drug-related sentences were for possession. And that’s not to mention the defendants history.

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I suppose if you had a bunch qualifiers that I didn't write (first time offender, federal) you can have it come out however you like....

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Don’t play obtuse. You know what was meant by “political” - it has been mentioned in this thread a dozen times what is meant.

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Don't play obtuse. You know that I'm challenging your very limited definition of political.

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You’re ignoring the point so let’s get right to it -

Are you troubled by the emerging dual justice system, one for conservatives and one for liberals?

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Didn't mean to ignore this. Let me direct. This is nonsense and not a thing that exists in the real world. On the other hand, there has been a clear difference int the justice system to which poor people are subject, irrespective of party and the one available to rich people, irrespective of party. Longtime tax cheat, Wiesselberg has long been the beneficiary of this phenomenon. But you have total indifference to this bifurcated justice model except when it impact Trump cronies. It what it is.

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Tell us. How many guys are in jails right now because, and only because, they lived in stop and frisk neighborhoods and got caught with a dime bag?

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Thousands.

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1. Why are you okay with the politicization of the legal system?

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You're not following. Justice in this country has always been political. After all, it is a political decision that we underfund tax enforcement for rich tax cheats so much that he was able to run this scam for so long. So why were you ok with it until yesterday?

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2. Why are you okay with the very obvious, very distinct justice systems - one for liberals and the other for conservatives. For a person concerned about the guy that has no criminal history until he was caught with a dimebag in a stop/frisk neighborhood because of disparate law enforcement in the past, it's pretty odd that you cheer on law enforcement/DOJ as they treat citizens differently today, depending on their politics.

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Cheering? Now you're just making shite up. Re-read what I have written on this thread. I haven't come close to cheering anything. I noted that he committed garden variety income underreporting and underpayment and will probably pay a big fine or do a small bid. No big deal. I feel precisely the same way about this dude as I did about the NBA refs who went down for something similar and as I did when crooked Democrats commit crimes. I have said it is fascinating to see all of you guys in tears over some rich tax cheat all because he touched the hem of Trump's garment. Surely if the CFO of the Clinton foundation was paying himself off book, y'all would be equally forgiving...

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This indictment is an outstanding example of why you need to purge your records of tax documents over 5 years old. Trash the hard copies, delete the soft.

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The bigger issue is that they had a second set of records with Wesselberg's real compensation. Thus, this indictment is a really outstanding example of why you need to follow the Stringer Bell rule.

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Why would I care if a person being railroaded by an ever-growing authoritarian state is "rich" or "doesn't give a shite about me"? I care about the railroading.

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He did, more than likely, actually commit this crime. That they would have probably never bothered to look if he weren't Trump affiliated is a shame, but going the other way.


How many thousands of men are in jails right now because they lived in stop and frisk neighborhoods and got caught with a dime bag? The authoritarian state has been here from jump for some folks. It's just interesting to see people get that "This is railroading" energy when it's a rich dude connected to their political heroes.

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The frick is wrong with you?

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You're the one who is butthurt that a rich tax cheat who doesn't give a shite about you might go to jail. What the frick is wrong with you?

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Yeah. I don’t remember anybody considering the Clintons an existential threat. Assholes and corrupt, sure - but existential threat?

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Satan worshipping cannibalistic pedophiles secretly ruling the world are to some an existential threat...

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You started by suggesting my premise is completely wrong, then the rest of the paragraph you gave all the reasons I’m right in what I wrote ... with the exception of your belief that Dems never expected this to touch Trump. I think you’re very wrong about that.

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The "except" is why I think your premise is wrong. Like I said, I'm pretty sure I have a better handle on what's going on with the left that you do. If you disagree that's cool.