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re: The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:35 pm to longwayfromLA
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:35 pm to longwayfromLA
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Perhaps your medical expertise leads you to a different conclusion.
I have no medical expertise, but I thought he was doing the “I can’t breathe” routine well before he was face down with a knee in his back. Is that incorrect?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
I hope he walks so that progs will once again show their true colors.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:40 pm to longwayfromLA
All of these "opinions" are taken wildly out of context.
Floyd himself DID know he was overdosing, and vocalized that clearly.
He also had pre-existing cardiac conditions that probably complicated this situation even further. Heart attack? I don't think that's the case, but sub optimal cardiac output, combined with an ingestion of a large quantity of fent, combined with the panicked George Floyd proclaiming "oh noooo I ate too many druggggssss" adds a tremendous amount of context to these "professional" medical testimonies that honestly don't actually analyze the totality of the situation at all.
If you've never seen people OD, you could probably easily believe that these medical testimonies are the word of God.
Floyd himself DID know he was overdosing, and vocalized that clearly.
He also had pre-existing cardiac conditions that probably complicated this situation even further. Heart attack? I don't think that's the case, but sub optimal cardiac output, combined with an ingestion of a large quantity of fent, combined with the panicked George Floyd proclaiming "oh noooo I ate too many druggggssss" adds a tremendous amount of context to these "professional" medical testimonies that honestly don't actually analyze the totality of the situation at all.
If you've never seen people OD, you could probably easily believe that these medical testimonies are the word of God.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chauvin probably wouldn’t have been on trial for murder just 15 years ago over Mr Floyd’s unfortunate death but because there’s a new age religion called “Wokeism”, that demands the followers of this Marxist religion feign outrage over anything they perceive to be a social injustice......well, we have a police officer who was already convicted of 2nd degree murder before the jury was selected.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:42 pm to Flats
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have no medical expertise, but I thought he was doing the “I can’t breathe” routine well before he was face down with a knee in his back. Is that incorrect?
Correct. He also said "Oh nooooo, I ate too many druggggssss!" As he was going down to the ground. His behaviour was exhibiting the classic "sense of impending doom", anxiety and claustrophobia that people with severe circulatory and pulmonary issues can get in certain situations.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:45 pm to ChuckO1975
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All of these "opinions" are taken wildly out of context.
Floyd himself DID know he was overdosing, and vocalized that clearly.
He also had pre-existing cardiac conditions that probably complicated this situation even further. Heart attack? I don't think that's the case, but sub optimal cardiac output, combined with an ingestion of a large quantity of fent, combined with the panicked George Floyd proclaiming "oh noooo I ate too many druggggssss" adds a tremendous amount of context to these "professional" medical testimonies that honestly don't actually analyze the totality of the situation at all.
If you've never seen people OD, you could probably easily believe that these medical testimonies are the word of God.
Do you believe that a healthy person with a knee on his back and neck as GF experienced would die from that treatment? I've read that the knee was between his shoulder blades and the snippet of video I saw it appeared on the side of his neck. Maybe it was both over time - but would that kill a healthy person the size/strength of GF?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:46 pm to David_DJS
Can someone please tell me how much weight was on the prog hero’s shoulder?
No?
Reasonable doubt.
No?
Reasonable doubt.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:48 pm to David_DJS
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I'm suggesting that because words are uttered in support of some position, they don't formulate a legitimate argument if they're f'n retarded.
And I suppose you get to be the arbiter of legitimacy, right? I'm pretty sure that if you walked into the ICU at Loyola University Medical Center they wouldn't let you treat any of the patients. I understand that you might have an emotional need to disagree with Tobin, but you're in absolutely no position to have an informed opinion on the matter. Said another way, I'm sure Tobin would think your complaints illegitimate since as a non-pulmonogist, you don't and can't know what you're talking about.
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That's not the question, and I think you know it. That that guy is a pulmonoligist and I'm not doesn't mean his lies are medical expertise and my assumptions aren't reasonable.
You are assuming your own conclusion here.
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Do you believe Doctors are capable of lying?
Of course they can, but in this instance, you're not in the position to be able to say one way or another since you don't know enough about the subject. So instead you begin from the assumption that he's lying and then conclude that he's lying.
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GF died of a heart attack, and that liar testified that a history of heart disease + all those drugs coursing through his system played no role in him having a fatal heart attack.
In this trial, there have been at least four doctors who have weighed in on this question and zero of them have concluded that Floyd died of a heart attack. This is something you just made up.
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But a knee between the shoulder blades for nine minutes caused the death, and would cause the same for any healthy person.
Right. Shoulder blades.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:50 pm to longwayfromLA
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And I suppose you get to be the arbiter of legitimacy, right?
No. That’s totally a job for a super smart leftist like you.
How much weight was on your hero’s “neck”?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
I just saw some Inside Edition type show. They showed some lady testifying that he would not have died by the drugs alone.
This is nuts.
This is nuts.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:52 pm to the808bass
That wasn’t the question.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:52 pm to longwayfromLA
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I understand that you might have an emotional need to disagree with Tobin
You seem to be an expert on me, so explain my emotional need to disagree with Tobin.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:52 pm to longwayfromLA
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Perhaps your medical expertise takes in a different direction, but the Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist strongly disagrees with you. Fentanyl kills by slowing respiratory rate to a fatal level. But Floys' respirators rate was observably fine. Floyd died from not getting enough O2 in the breaths that he did take. Fentanyl doesn't kill that way.
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Further, Tobin explained that fentanyl did not play a role in Floyd's death. After observing body-cam footage, Tobin calculated Floyd's respiratory rate at 22 breaths per minute, within normal range. People who overdose on fentanyl generally have a respiratory rate of about 10, so Tobin concluded that fentanyl was not affecting Floyd's breathing.
"Basically it tells you that there isn't fentanyl on board that is affecting his respiratory centers. It's not having an effect on his respiratory centers," Tobin said.
At the scene, former officer Tou Thao told the concerned bystand
You're glossing over a VERY important fact in his testimony, perhaps on purpose.
Tobin claims he calculated Floyd's respiratory rate by simply watching the bystander cell phone videos. That's it.
So what Mr. Tobin says can be conceivably true, but it's based on an EXTREMELY SHAKY foundation. I tried watching a few of the videos myself to see if I could easily tell when Floyd took breaths, and there was only a couple instances where it was clear.
I'm no expert at breaking down pixelated mpeg videos (I'm sure there's a name for that), but neither is Mr. Tobin. He's a doctor.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:53 pm to longwayfromLA
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but you're in absolutely no position to have an informed opinion on the matter.
Neither are you. Since you ignored my question I'll ask again: I thought Floyd was claiming that he couldn't breathe well before he was face down with a knee in his back. Is that correct or not?
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:55 pm to Flats
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but you're in absolutely no position to have an informed opinion on the matter.
Neither are you.
Ironic, isn't it?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:56 pm to ChuckO1975
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If you've never seen people OD, you could probably easily believe that these medical testimonies are the word of God.
I'm not in position to say really. I can say that none of the doctors who have testified to date believe he OD'd and all of them have compelling arguments for their beliefs and all of them have a level of expertise in their respective fields. If your medical judgment takes you another way, that's fine.
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panicked George Floyd proclaiming "oh noooo I ate too many druggggssss"
This is not a thing that happened.
LINK
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Nelson first played a short clip with the disputed quote, which came from another officer's body camera video
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“Does it sound like he says, ‘I ate too many drugs?’” Nelson asked.
“I can’t make that out,” Stiger replied. Nelson let the subject drop with Stiger, but replayed the clip and posed the question again for the lead investigator from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, Senior Special Agent James Reyerson.
The agent agreed with Nelson that that's what Floyd appeared to say — a win for the defense.
But prosecutor Matthew Frank wasn't going to let that stand. He got Reyerson to say he had not closely listened to that passage before. After a break to regroup, Frank replayed a longer clip from the same body cam video,
“Having heard it in context, you’re able to tell what Mr. Floyd is saying there?” Frank asked.
“I believe Mr. Floyd was saying, ‘I ain’t do no drugs,’" Reyerson replied.
“So that’s a little different than what you were asked about when you only saw a portion of the video, correct?' Frank asked.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:57 pm to PsychTiger
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AMS will be here shortly to tell you how you are wrong due to her superior medical knowledge.
Uh - the OP is like an ER doctor or some shite like that.
Hell, Roger is practically a redpilled #Blexit doctor by now.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:58 pm to tduecen
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
Just like Zimmerman, Wilson, and Yanez were found guilty?
The Left wants Chauvin to walk so they can stick with the narrative that white cops get away with murdering unarmed black men.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:59 pm to roadGator
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No. That’s totally a job for a super smart leftist like you.
He made the argument that a pulmonogist had an illegitimate conclusion on a question pertaining to pulmonlogy. I haven't called anyone's views illegitimate.
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How much weight was on your hero’s “neck”?
I'm not sure to whom you're referring.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 6:31 pm
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