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The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:31 pm
From a medical perspective, it’s virtually impossible to argue that a person without Floyd’s underlying medical conditions would have died in the same circumstance. Given the cops would have had no way of knowing that, it almost by definition takes murder off the table.
Even if Chauvin’s actions contributed to the death, they did so in the same manner as a fender bender triggering a heart attack contributes to a death. If you’re at fault in that accident and the other driver dies, you’re in trouble but you didn’t commit murder in any form under any state law. In the same manner, even if Chauvin was in any way in the wrong and his actions contributed to Floyd’s death, it’s impossible to satisfy the requirements for murder unless the prosecution can show Floyd would have died regardless of how healthy he was, that Chauvin knew of these medical issues and that his actions could have triggered a fatal event or that his actions would reasonably cause the death of any person regardless of health problems.
Even if Chauvin’s actions contributed to the death, they did so in the same manner as a fender bender triggering a heart attack contributes to a death. If you’re at fault in that accident and the other driver dies, you’re in trouble but you didn’t commit murder in any form under any state law. In the same manner, even if Chauvin was in any way in the wrong and his actions contributed to Floyd’s death, it’s impossible to satisfy the requirements for murder unless the prosecution can show Floyd would have died regardless of how healthy he was, that Chauvin knew of these medical issues and that his actions could have triggered a fatal event or that his actions would reasonably cause the death of any person regardless of health problems.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
a healthy, sober person wouldn't have died from all that.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
AMS will be here shortly to tell you how you are wrong due to her superior medical knowledge.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
This jury is not letting him walk. He will be found Guilty of something regardless of what any facts show.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:38 pm to tduecen
He might, but at this point it will not be because of anything that did or didn’t happen in the court room. If he goes down after all this he was always going down, because there is an abundance of reasonable doubt at this point.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:38 pm to ronricks
Again, it’s certainly possible. If that’s the case then this was merely a show trial all along.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chauvin's best chance is someone with enough balls on the jury holds out to not convict. Hung jury is his only way out.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:45 pm to ronricks
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This jury is not letting him walk. He will be found Guilty of something regardless of what any facts show.
Problem is, they can't just find him guilty of "something" they can only do so with the charges in front of them (or lesser and included offenses, if applicable in MN). My understanding of the 3 charges, is they are all a reach to begin with.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
Floyd ingested Fentanyl. That's what killed him. I regret any loss of life regardless of the circumstances. The fact remains, Officer Chauvin was merely performing his duty. How could he know Floyd was hiding the Fentanyl in his mouth?
Having said that, in light of this ridiculous trial why would anyone consider a career in law enforcement? A troubling development indeed since that 'thin blue line' is all that stands between us and hardened criminals.
So you say you don't want to get arrested and risk injury? Don't do drugs.
Welcome to Joe Biden's America.
Having said that, in light of this ridiculous trial why would anyone consider a career in law enforcement? A troubling development indeed since that 'thin blue line' is all that stands between us and hardened criminals.
So you say you don't want to get arrested and risk injury? Don't do drugs.
Welcome to Joe Biden's America.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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this was merely a show trial
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
The worst charge I might convict him on is reckless homicide or involuntary manslaughter.
No way is any level of murder on the table since his actions did not result in Floyd's death.
No way is any level of murder on the table since his actions did not result in Floyd's death.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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From a medical perspective, it’s virtually impossible to argue that a person without Floyd’s underlying medical conditions would have died in the same circumstance
Virtual impossible? Did you miss yesterday? The prosecution brought on pulmonologist spent a number of hours making that argument in detail. Perhaps your medical expertise takes you a different direction, but the argument was certainly made.
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[quote]"A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died,"
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:56 pm to longwayfromLA
My brother used to sit on my for a lot longer. I never died. This is bullshite if that’s the case being presented. He either choked him with the knee on the neck cutting off blood and/or air or not.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:58 pm to longwayfromLA
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but the argument was certainly made.
Name an argument that can't be made.
The test isn't whether an argument is made, but whether the argument has any merit.
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George Floyd's preexisting conditions and drug use had no impact on his death, doctor says
Bad liars nearly always go too far. That's how you can tell they're lying.
Do you think it's at all reasonable that GF's drug use had no impact on his death?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He might, but at this point it will not be because of anything that did or didn’t happen in the court room. If he goes down after all this he was always going down, because there is an abundance of reasonable doubt at this point.
Bingo
Posted on 4/9/21 at 2:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
the angle of his knee on the shoulder blade is telling. it is almost like the angle shown on TV as if pre planned on someones cell phone was fake.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:00 pm to Zarkinletch416
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Floyd ingested Fentanyl. That's what killed him
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Perhaps your medical expertise takes in a different direction, but the Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist strongly disagrees with you. Fentanyl kills by slowing respiratory rate to a fatal level. But Floys' respirators rate was observably fine. Floyd died from not getting enough O2 in the breaths that he did take. Fentanyl doesn't kill that way.
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Further, Tobin explained that fentanyl did not play a role in Floyd's death. After observing body-cam footage, Tobin calculated Floyd's respiratory rate at 22 breaths per minute, within normal range. People who overdose on fentanyl generally have a respiratory rate of about 10, so Tobin concluded that fentanyl was not affecting Floyd's breathing.
"Basically it tells you that there isn't fentanyl on board that is affecting his respiratory centers. It's not having an effect on his respiratory centers," Tobin said.
At the scene, former officer Tou Thao told the concerned bystand
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:02 pm to longwayfromLA
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Perhaps your medical expertise takes in a different direction, but the Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist strongly disagrees with you. Fentanyl kills by slowing respiratory rate to a fatal level. But Floys' respirators rate was observably fine. Floyd died from not getting enough O2 in the breaths that he did take. Fentanyl doesn't kill that way.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 3:04 pm to longwayfromLA
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but the argument was certainly made.
You can pay "experts" to say anything
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