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re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:58 am to teke184
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:58 am to teke184
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it is a case where it is the mother or the child, I will have sympathy to a decision. If it is a case of someone forcibly raped, I will have sympathy to a decision. If it is some stupid bitch who gets drunk and doesn’t use birth control, sucks to be her.
How can anyone disagree with this notion? This is how it should be—your personal religious view should have no impact on others.
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:00 am to teke184
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Because Il Papa doesn’t want to rock the boat and cost the church potential donations every Sunday by doing something like calling out their own parishioners.
If this is the case then Catholicism has become a cult. There is no other reason a Christian religion would put greed of money before the sanctity of life and morality.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:02 am to imjustafatkid
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Newborn babies who are put up for adoption are adopted at a near 100% rate.
Now add “oh. BTW. The dad is a rapist.”
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:03 am to lsupride87
quote:Colorado just passed a law legalizing abortion up to birth. Some people want it badly enough to pass laws about it.
I don’t know a single person that wants certain abortion rights that wants that. You must hang out or know some real monsters
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
quote:If I had my way, they could remain open only if they were able to implant all embryos. I actually agree that "discarding" fertilized eggs is the same thing as an abortion.
So you beleive in shutting down IVF clinics? Because they discard thousands of fertilized eggs
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:07 am to lsupride87
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I don’t know a single person that wants certain abortion rights that wants that. You must hang out or know some real monsters
You're either a liar, or a fool.
California Bill Would Allow Killing Babies in Infanticide Up to 28 Days After Birth
If you search for this law, you'll find "fact checkers" readily available to claim this law would not do what the above linked article says it will do. But that's just their headline. They never once dispute that this bill
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would shield a mother from civil and criminal charges for any “actions or omissions” related to her pregnancy, “including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.” Although definitions of “perinatal death” vary, all of them include the demise of newborns seven days or more after birth.
That language is absolutely in the bill and absolutely does give women license to kill their actually born babies. They are actually trying to legalize the murder of babies even after birth at this point, and you're just sitting there being ignorant. Or maybe you've just desensitized yourself to baby murder so much that you don't even want to know.
You can read the bill for yourself. Don't rely on lying "fact checkers" to do what you can do all on your own. Sure, they changed the language from "death" to "death due to a pregnancy-related cause," but that means very little when the bill allows you to sue the police, individually, for investigating the death of your child.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:08 am to NOBigEZ
This, frankly, is historically consistent with the Catholic Church and many other churches.
There is a reason why Martin Luther nailed 95 theses to the door of a cathedral in the Middle Ages.
There is a reason why Martin Luther nailed 95 theses to the door of a cathedral in the Middle Ages.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:12 am to teke184
quote:Amen to that
This, frankly, is historically consistent with the Catholic Church and many other churches.
There is a reason why Martin Luther nailed 95 theses to the door of a cathedral in the Middle Ages.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:12 am to GeauxTigerTM
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100%. In fact, I'm quite sure that if laws would be written like what I've proposed, we'd suddenly see an exponential rise in claims of rape in America. Obviously there would have to be some level of scrutiny imposed.
I still would not agree with abortions in this instance, but more rapes actually being reported so they can be investigated and we can put rapists behind bars would be good. Of course, this would also result in a sharp increase in false rape claims, which seem to be the only kinds of rape claims I ever hear about anymore, so I would hope we'd actually start prosecuting those liars.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:13 am to imjustafatkid
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I'm against it in every situation.
i am against it in every situation as well. the life of baby the product of rape is no less valuable.
but in the interest of fairness and compromise, i'd be willing to allow it in the instance of rape and incest or to save the life of the mother. hell, just to throw a bone, i'll say it's fine in the first trimester.
now, take that proposal to the left and see what they are willing to compromise on.
rape, incest, the life of the mother, and first trimester abortions were the norm for the majority of roe's lifespan, but the left just had to keep pushing it. it was never settled by any means, but it was left alone for the most part. when the left kept trying to get rid of the hyde amendment, we found out Planned Parenthood was definitely doing shady shite, Gossnel was a mass murderer, and blue states started to try and push 3rd trimester abortions it escalated.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:16 am to 3nOut
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when the left kept trying to get rid of the hyde amendment, we found out Planned Parenthood was definitely doing shady shite, Gossnel was a mass murderer, and blue states started to try and push 3rd trimester abortions it escalated.
It's true. If they would have simply followed the science behind when a baby is viable, and allowed laws that would not let you kill the baby after it is viable, then this wouldn't still be an issue.
But they couldn't do that, because babies are becoming "viable" earlier and earlier as actual useful science gets better and better.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:22 am to imjustafatkid
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I still would not agree with abortions in this instance
I completely get it, and given my thoughts on this are due to my belief that human life starts at conception (when else would it?) I understand that I'm drawing an exception where there ought not be one if the goal is to protect THAT human.
And yet, I can't be in favor of forcing a woman to carry to term a baby she's only carrying because someone violently raped her. I understand that this was not the baby's fault, but to force her to go through that for the rest of her life (because giving birth and then giving it up for adoption would never be the end of that situation obviously) rings of the way they'd handle this in a theocracy like under the Taliban.
I try and put myself in two places when imagining this. First, as the husband to my wife and imagine her having to go through this. It would be impossible. I also imagine what it would be like growing up and finding out that you only exist because your "father" raped your birth mother and she was forced to have you? Obviously you'd want to be alive, but what would that knowledge do to you knowing how you were conceived and what your existence meant to the person that carried you to term? I can't imagine being in either scenario.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:26 am to GeauxTigerTM
The folks who are wanting to mandate that a woman bring a baby to full term and birth it (even though she conceived it through the trauma of rape) should join the Taliban OR personally ensure that you will assume the financial obligation for therapy that she will ultimately need.
Everything is cookie cutter, until you actually speak with a woman who has endured the trauma of rape. Sick fricks.
Everything is cookie cutter, until you actually speak with a woman who has endured the trauma of rape. Sick fricks.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:30 am to CrimeStoppers
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Everything is cookie cutter, until you actually speak with a woman who has endured the trauma of rape. Sick fricks.
the right has historically not pushed back against rape. i'm personally against it, even in the case of rape, but if were made supreme dictator for a day, i'd allow exceptions for rape as long as the rapist sees justice.
just out of curiosity, how familiar are you with the events that lead up to Roe?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:31 am to imjustafatkid
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Don't know if you have to disclose this or not, but no this would not be a difficult sell. Newborn babies who are put up for adoption are adopted at a near 100% rate.
Not them black babies. Folks are seven times more likely to avoid adopting a black baby than a non-black baby.
If those non-aborted black babies aren't adopted, you know how they end up? They end up impregnating non-aborted black girls. They end up killing each other. They end up in our prisons and institutions. They end up being everything you love about New Orleans.
And without that 38% abortion rate so many of you are wailing over, they'll end up in your living room at 3am. Their numbers would be so great as to be utterly unmanageable.
Everybody who can afford it wants an American born White or Hispanic baby but not many folks really want them black babies.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:34 am to imjustafatkid
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Of course, this would also result in a sharp increase in false rape claims, which seem to be the only kinds of rape claims I ever hear about anymore, so I would hope we'd actually start prosecuting those liars.
Women who make false rape accusations should face the same prison time that a man would get if he was actually convicted of what the woman is accusing him of. That's the only way to stop these fake rape claims.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:35 am to Pandy Fackler
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Not them black babies. Folks are seven times more likely to avoid adopting a black baby than a non-black baby.
i don't know if that's statistically true. it might be, but maybe my anecdotal evidence is skewed.
i can name 10+ kids that are black and adopted by white/hispanic families without even leaving people i know on a first name basis at my church. 2 of both of my sons best friends are black and adopted.
one of them is ethiopian, so i'm not sure if that counts. i think adopting from Africa has less negative connotations because you don't have the possibility of custody issues.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:36 am to CrimeStoppers
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Everything is cookie cutter
In this case, I actually appreciate their intellectual honesty more than my compassion. I can't logically argue for my position here, and I know it. If what I believe is that a human life starts at conception and that a mother does not have the right to terminate it by choice, then HOW it got there does not change that equation at all.
I see that contradiction in my viewpoint, and I allow for it out of emotional reasons. I don't normally function like that, but in this case I do...and it kind of bothers me.
So while I disagree that would be the best way to run a society, I don't hold any ill will towards people that are more intellectually consistent in their principles than am I.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:40 am to CrimeStoppers
quote:It's an odd jump, that. Are any states going to outlaw 1st trimester abortion in cases of rape? If not, what then is your point?
a woman who has endured the trauma of rape
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:44 am to ApexTiger
Already taken into consideration in most Abortion ban laws or could easily be made an exception.
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