re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments

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They want the baby to be born, but after that don’t care really that the baby goes into foster care or an absolutely awful home. And don’t you dare think about higher taxes to support these additional babies being born.

It’s emotion and hypocrisy to me with abortion, on both sides. It’s why I’m tired of it being such a big ticket item

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Every word of this is the truth.

Abortion isn't even on a check off list for me when it comes to voting.

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When women are actually raped, it’s pretty freaking emotional and embarassing

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The keyword being "actually" raped.

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This is so fricking dumb.

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Negative. What is so f*cking dumb is #IBelieveHer aka #HesGuiltyUntilProvenInnocent.

E.g.,
The Athens Ohio ATM Rape

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Folks are seven times more likely to avoid adopting a black baby than a non-black baby.

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That is FALSE ... unless of course one artificially employs a 100% Caucasian Adoptive parent pool as the basis.

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But you are saying you want to force a woman to carry full term a baby she had no consent over, even if she could terminate it when it was just an embryo.

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I don't consider the natural act of pregnancy and birth to be a "forced" process. I consider the situation a prevention of taking an innocent life, instead, but that's just a different perspective on what is occurring.

The real issue at stake here is whether or not the child is a living human being, and if so, if it has the general right to live. If it is a living human being, and it does have a general right to live, then the questions are whether or not there are exceptions to that rule, and what are they?

We deal with exceptions to the general right to life with adults all the time. We discuss whether or not self-defense is a valid excuse to take a life. We talk about the taking of life in instances of war. We especially talk about taking life as a punitive action against certain crimes within society. What we don't talk much about is the emotional reason to take a life that doesn't involve those other three scenarios, because we generally agree that killing someone because you're angry or upset is not a valid reason, and yet this is the lens that we use to approach abortion in the case of rape.

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It isn’t emotional, it’s just true. If you are against all abortion, you are for woman carry rapist babies, and women carrying babies that will kill them

That isn’t emotional, it’s facts. If your belief in banning all abortions is strong, you need to accept that and own it

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First of all, that isn't my position, as I don't agree that all abortions should be illegal, though I'd phrase that a little differently. I believe that abortion for the cases of incest and rape should not be allowed, but I do think that medical procedures that are performed to save the life of the mother that result in the death of the child should be allowed if that's what the mother wants. That isn't exactly the same as "abortion to save the life of the mother", but the result is the same. Rarely does a doctor have to kill the baby to save the life of the mother. Usually it's that the baby is removed from the mother, resulting in its death. Again, same result, but different emphasis.

Secondly, it is an emotional argument because it removes the objectivity of the situation and places it entirely on the subjective emotional state of the mother. Instead of the emphasis being on the objective value of the child as a living human being, the emphasis is placed on the subjective feelings of the mother (and/or the subjective feelings of others involved, such as parents who wouldn't want to see their daughter suffer emotionally). As others point out, that argument can be extended to harsher extremes. For instance, what about if the mother is raped, conceives a child, and believes she should not abort it while pregnant, but after the birth the trauma doesn't go away but only increases as she looks at her child every day and sees the face of the rapist? Should she be able to kill that child at 6 weeks old? 1 year? 3 years? When you make "emotional trauma" the deciding factor in whether or not someone lives or dies, that can have disastrous results.

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This is an equally horrible argument. It happens to THOUSANDS of women. So, you absolutely have to account for the situation. So your answer is let these women die becuase “it’s a minority of abortions”?

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In the same way that we should account for people dying in car accidents. Sure not everyone gets into one, but because some do we must ban all vehicles.

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What you know about women in general and taking care of a sexual trauma victim couldn't fill a thimble. Honestly, it couldn't. Every single thing about being raped is emotional. All of it. 100% of it. There's nothing "logical or rational" about the act of it or its outcome.

To deny a woman an abortion after a rape is Ozark snake handling level shite. That's how primitive and ridiculous you are. And people like you are just as dangerous to the freedoms of this country as the far left.

You're a fool.

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The fool is the one who is ruled by his or her emotions.

Yes, rape is emotional. I'm not denying that it isn't evil. In fact, I believe rapists should be put to death. But, we aren't talking about the rape. We're talking about taking another person's life because of the emotion associated with the rape.

I don't think we should take the lives of the innocent to punish the guilty, nor should we take the lives of innocents in order to console victims of crimes, and me saying that isn't minimizing the pain of the victim of rape or saying that doesn't matter. I'm just saying that killing a child isn't an appropriate response to that pain.

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The chief reason even non-violent rape is punished so severely is the emotional toll it takes on the victim. In some instances the toll can be so overbearing as to permanently alter intimacy. Now extrapolate that to an entire pregnancy which in rare instances could additionally cost the mother her future fertility, or even her life. It is not an emotional argument, but rather a factually scientific one

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If you want to argue that abortion should occur due to physical health, then make that argument, but the "emotional trauma" argument is one I don't buy when it comes to taking the lives of innocents. That isn't to say that emotional trauma is of no consequence, but the bar to take innocent life is pretty high, and being emotionally compromised is not a sufficient reason to take life in other circumstances, and I don't think that's a valid reason to do so in this case, either.

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If you want to argue that abortion should occur due to physical health, then make that argument, but the "emotional trauma" argument is one I don't buy

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Then you don't buy life in prison for rape either. Because there is no other justification for differential penalties afforded rape vs other 'assaults'. Then again, psychiatry is as real as oncology when it comes to suicidal depression

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Then you don't buy life in prison for rape either. Because there is no other justification for differential penalties afforded rape vs other 'assaults'.

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I believe rape to be a severe and violent violation of the dignity of a person made in the image of God, much more so than mere physical, external abuse defined as "assault". It can result in unwanted pregnancy and STDs on top of the physical and emotional trauma that it inflicts on the victim. It's very, very serious, which is why I support harsh sentencing for the perpetrator.

What I don't support is creating two victims instead of one.

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Then again, psychiatry is as real as oncology when it comes to suicidal depression

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Perhaps, but I'm not disputing the reality of emotional trauma. I'm merely saying that it doesn't rise to the level of taking an innocent life.

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This board completely minimizes the incredible trauma associated with rape.

Creating policy that punishes the victim of rape further is fricked up. If that policy criminalizes rational steps taken soon after the rape, it ventures into insanity.

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Explain how killing the innocent child makes the trauma of rape disappear. I'll take it a step further, explain how the death of an innocent child that the mother is carrying will not add further trauma to her fragile state of mind.