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re: The healthcare system is completely broken in America
Posted on 4/2/22 at 5:52 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 4/2/22 at 5:52 pm to Taxing Authority
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That simply isn't true. We spend billions -directly- on indigent care, and untold billions as hidden costs to paying customers. if you include Medicare you're into trillions. That is a fact.
And zero of that goes to experimental end of life care.
We do a decent job of basic care, I'll give you that.
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What gives one a "right" to someone else's labor? There's a word for that.
You not wrong.
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Posted on 4/2/22 at 5:54 pm to Scoper
I thought Obama fixed it ? How do you plan to fix the problem? Singldd ex payer healthcare is not going to pay 800K to keep her alive either .
Posted on 4/2/22 at 5:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:That's simply not true. We spend more money on futile terminal care than any of the socialized systems. There's a reason I keep asking why not go to the UK or Canada.
And zero of that goes to experimental end of life care.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 5:59 pm to Scoper
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Her life expectancy is 2 years without the surgery.
She might live just long enough to see an oncologist in a country with socialized medicine.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 6:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:In that single posit you just disagreed with every healthcare expert on earth. Congrats nitwit! Please do continue.
And zero of that goes to experimental end of life care.
We do a decent job of basic care, I'll give you that.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 6:12 pm to Iron Lion
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We took my mom to MD Anderson in Houston to get her into a clinical trial for her acute myloid leukemia. Once we got there she was declined a spot, after they told her she had been accepted over the phone. They said she was too advanced and would be a statistical negative to the trial results. They kept her a few days, tried a couple of meds and sent her back home to Tuscaloosa. She died 31 days later. The so called "system" is unfair.
If she died 31 days later then no treatment they could have given her would have saved her at that point. I went through the same thing with my mom. My mom was accepted into a program about 4 or 5 months before she died because she had a rare form of cancer. The treatment made no difference. We were still trying to discuss treatment options up until a week before she died when the doctors finally said there is nothing else that can be done. When I look back on it now, it is obvious how bad of shape she was in but at the time we just didn't want to accept it. Sometimes there is nothing that can be done.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 6:31 pm to NC_Tigah
NC Tigah,
After the last three years do you doubt the corruption and greed of a medical system that was willing to allow at least a half a million Americans to die by suppressing therapeutics like hydroxychloriqine which cost 60 cents a dose?
By the way, thanks for the vaccine, Moderna, it very nearly killed me!
Let's talk Remdisovir and its 30% fatality rate !
Yes the system is broken. It exists to service the greed of Big Pharma and the Deep State.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 7:34 pm to Scoper
If she can, I would recommend Thailand or Costa Rica for treatment.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:06 pm to Tigerbythetale
quote:Sort of like died with covid or died from covid. Did they die because of Remdesivir or died due to covid but was taking Remdesivir? I ask because I don't think I have ever seen numbers that high.
Let's talk Remdisovir and its 30% fatality rate !
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:11 pm to Scoper
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bone cancer that requires a transplant
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800,000 dollars
What kind of transplant do you need with bone cancer? Marrow?
Doesn't seem accurate. They charge half that for a new liver.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:52 pm to Topisawtiger
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No one said she was denied care. The problem is the insane amount of money it cost to provide that care like $800,000. Which she can't afford.
and she won’t be billed that. It’s bullshiat. They’d never hope to collect.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 8:53 pm to Scoper
Please explain more. It sounds like she doesn't have insurance.
With insurance, you have a max out of pocket expenses. I think ours is like 12k. We but our insurance through the exchange because my husband retired.
Something doesn't sound right. Please give us more details.
With insurance, you have a max out of pocket expenses. I think ours is like 12k. We but our insurance through the exchange because my husband retired.
Something doesn't sound right. Please give us more details.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:07 pm to Scoper
For literally all of human history prior to the last century, everyone who developed any type of cancer just died. Usually in terrible pain and having no idea whatsoever what was wrong with them.
To argue that healthcare is a right because some people now have access to it is incoherent. It's like arguing you have a fundamental right to a car or a home.
To argue that healthcare is a right because some people now have access to it is incoherent. It's like arguing you have a fundamental right to a car or a home.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:07 pm to Scoper
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Her life expectancy is 2 years without the surgery.
What would it be with the surgery?
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:17 pm to Iron Lion
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We took my mom to MD Anderson in Houston to get her into a clinical trial for her acute myloid leukemia. Once we got there she was declined a spot, after they told her she had been accepted over the phone. They said she was too advanced and would be a statistical negative to the trial results. They kept her a few days, tried a couple of meds and sent her back home to Tuscaloosa. She died 31 days later. The so called "system" is unfair.
So your mom had a terminal illness, was denied an “experimental” treatment that isn’t available anywhere else in the world because of inclusion criteria that is necessary for proper study design, and the “system” is “unfair?” You’re a special kind of stupid. But I am sorry that you lost your mother.
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:31 pm to Scoper
so... the taxpayers are supposed to save her? i don't get it
Posted on 4/2/22 at 9:33 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
quote:Probably best, given the story, to just leave it there.
So your mom had a terminal illness, was denied an “experimental” treatment that isn’t available anywhere else in the world
Posted on 4/2/22 at 10:32 pm to Bearcat90
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Post Obamacare, there is usually only one or two hospitals in every large city that will take the so called indigent.
Obama sold a bunch of people pathetic insurance, but it usually pertained to long term care. This example is acute inpatient care which no hospital can deny based on ability to pay. As DiamondDawg stated, in Mississippi people go to UMMC and there’s no cap on the bill. When you leave you pay $20.00/month for the rest of your life and the rest is written off. OP has no idea how our healthcare system works. It has its issues but it is still the best in the world.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 3:52 pm to Scoper
The health care systems in many countries are very underdeveloped.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 4:37 pm to Scoper
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A woman my mom has known for her entire life recently found out she has a rare bone cancer that requires a transplant. Her life expectancy is 2 years without the surgery. She can't afford the 800,000 dollars to pay for it though. It's a broken and unfair system.
Uninsured? Considering it sounds like she'd have qualified for massive subsidies, that was a bad choice.
She now has four alternatives. (1) liquidate her assets to family, etc. Then declare eligibility for Medicaid. (2) Alternately she can join an ACA plan, even is she has to wait for open enrollment. (3) She may be able to join a fully funded study. (4) She can let the disease take its course.
The difference between our """broken and unfair system""" and socialized systems is the latter would force the lady to pay for her healthcare through obligatory taxation rather than giving her the opportunity to make her own choice in that regard. It that really """broken and unfair"""??
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