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re: The healthcare system is completely broken in America

Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by zaniesmo12
Member since May 2020
107 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:01 pm to
Americans pay much higher prices for pharmaceuticals than people in other countries. Out of curiosity, I researched to find reasons. The main reason is this:
Most of the research and development of new drugs takes place in the US. Pharmaceutical companies unjustly pass the huge costs to Americans and American health insurance companies. The rest of the world needs to chip in to provide more help with research and production costs, too! We have been shouldering the drug cost burden for the rest of the world for far too long!
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:05 pm to
She can get the surgery no matter if she can afford it or not.

That’s why the cost is so high, about 25% don’t pay.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63002 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:13 pm to
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She can't afford the 800,000 dollars to pay for it though. It's a broken and unfair system.


Are you saying it shouldn’t cost 800k? Are you saying someone else should pay the 800k? Are you saying that there has to be a solution to any situation that is unfortunate and that cost doesn’t matter?

What is the life expectancy if she does have the transplant?

How old is your Moms friend now?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63002 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:14 pm to
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BTW, if the USA had single payer/socialized medicine, she would not get the transplant either.


She wouldn’t even have the option.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:24 pm to
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Remember when Obama fixed it?

"Fundamental Transformation of the United States of America"
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63002 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:25 pm to
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And zero of that goes to experimental end of life care


LOFL if you think more is spent in countries with socialized medicine.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
5617 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 5:26 pm to
The healthcare system was fine until the liberals ruined it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138852 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 6:21 pm to
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And zero of that goes to experimental end of life care.
That is false
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25227 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 6:23 pm to
1-800-OBAMACARE
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8418 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:41 pm to
I went in for a simple ablation and the hospital bill was $268000…

Insurance knocked it down to $56000

Why the discrepancy?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:42 pm to
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Why the discrepancy?
Best marketing ploy every. You get the $268k bill, and think "Oh, thank gawd I have insurance!!". Insurance pays $56k, but would have probably been less if you paid cash. In the mean time you've paid more than $56k in premiums over the previous four years, none the wiser, thinking "so glad I have insurance, and don't have to pay!".

Modern "insurance" is nothing more than pre-paid care.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
9135 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:35 pm to
I got an ultrasound 1 year ago and it cost $50 after insurance. Same ultrasound, same insurance now it cost me $270.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28025 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 11:00 pm to
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Half of our country believes unlimited access to health care is a "right"


Let's take a page from the LGBTQAIP2% group.

Lack of proper entertainment leads to depression which leads to suicide.

High-quality entertainment is a right. Athletes, singers, actors, etc. all need to work for 60k a year to help provide affordable entertainment to the masses.

We have a "right" to their labor.

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and the other half believe it is a "privilege".


Privilege - a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.

No, the other half doesn't think it's a fricking "privilege". You're adopting progressive speak.

The other half of the country thinks you don't have a right to someone else's labor and instead must trade something that that person thinks is of equal value.

The best care is very labor-intensive. I know it sucks, and life isn't fair, but the alternative to this is a society-ending economic system where these same people will die anyway, along with tens of millions of perfectly healthy people.

Maybe if we weren't subsidizing Europe's defense to the tune of billions of dollars each year we could lower taxes, give families more money, and let them donate to charities that could help out in these situations.

Maybe instead of letting millions of illegals flood the border and buying them all cellphones, giving them subsidized food/housing, and busing them all over the country, we could lower taxes, give families more money, and let them donate to charities that could help out in these situations.

There's so many areas where we can tighten the belt, but progressives like yourself cry because it inconveniences someone, somewhere. The only group of people they don't mind shitting on are the people who make the right choices in life.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 11:22 pm
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28552 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:23 am to
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You’re a special kind of stupid.



Coming from an a-hole who doesn’t realize that cancer centers running experimental treatments don’t want patients to ruin their precious statistics thus making them look bad so they turn them away as a result, I think it’s safe to say we don’t need to take your opinion to heart. It has zero credibility.

Is the person whose mom got turned away an example of a broken system? Nope. It’s an example of unethical practices in padding statistical numbers.

Is your belief that centers running trials only take the patients that will yield them the best outcome an example of a stellar system? Nope. It’s just evidence of your naïveté and your belief that Biden legitimately received the most votes in American history.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 12:24 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17240 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:53 am to
I don't understand two things,

1. What kind transplant would cure bone cancer?

2. There is an annual out of pocket maximum for every American on Obamacare - you cannot spend more than that per year. Note - that doesn't include dental work and some things like facelifts, etc.

So how would she pay 880k? The maximum is literally one percent of that.

LINK
Posted by CedarChest
South of Mejico
Member since Jun 2020
2829 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:07 am to
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Why doesn't she go to Canada or the UK where it's free?
If I had to go that route I'd check out France first. They seem to run the very best single-payer system around. Don't like single-payer, but France has great docs and hospitals, and they will treat foreigners who can't afford to pay also. Don't know how they do it but they do.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17240 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:40 am to
If the OP os talking about a bone MARROW transplant you can get that in India (excellent hospitals and medical schools there, why do you think half of American's doctors nowadays seem to be Indian or Pakistani?)

Price is 40 times less than America.

LINK
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28025 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 7:05 am to
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Price is 40 times less than America.


Probably because of the price charged for the drugs involved.

My daughter is on Humira for her Crohn's disease. It's ~7,500 for a month's supply here in the states. A few hundred miles drive to Mexico from here and that exact same drug costs about 500 a month.

We're subsidizing drug costs of other countries. That's not a mark against our healthcare system, that's a mark against big pharma and our politicians that let it happen.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3814 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 7:16 am to
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cancer centers running experimental treatments don’t want patients to ruin their precious statistics thus making them look bad so they turn them away as a result, I think it’s safe to say we don’t need to take your opinion to heart. It has zero credibility.


Well one of us is a physician and it isn’t you…

Study design is based off of the desired treatment indications. If you are developing a drug to treat terminally ill patients, then you include terminally ill patients in the study. Few interventions, therapies, treatments, pharmaceuticals are looking to do that. They are focused on earlier stages of disease and therefore people are routinely considered too advanced for study inclusion. They also have to narrow indications which can exclude patients with certain comorbidities. You have to control for something in the study, people are always going to get left out. The center itself and the PI for the study get paid for successful enrollments, and a lesser value for participants that fail screening. The incentive on their end is to enroll as many people as possible and finish the study as quickly as possible. The company itself doesn’t want treatment failures, but that doesn’t necessarily stop individuals from getting enrolled and would really only cause someone to be removed from the study after they were already shown to be failing treatment. In reality, drug companies messing with the study on the front end is MUCH more difficult than just burying the data they don’t like on the back end.

You are also a special kind of stupid
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:26 am to
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Remember when Obama fixed it?


Remember when the republicans complained so much about it and repealed it? Wait a sec…
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