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re: The GOP Coalition Moving Forward
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:30 pm to tide06
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:30 pm to tide06
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The bigger divide is GOPe vs AF/MAGA.
Trump has done everything he could to get rid of any AF member in congress. There’s zero discernible difference between GOPe and “MAGA”. This post was edited on 8/1/26 at 5:33 pm
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Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:31 pm to theballguy
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This.
Sadly this is true.
This isnt a rocky movie.
Too many people voting for the check.
Conseratives can win againt 1-3 groups. Easily.
Which is respectable.
But all these groups that are here, its too big.
Atlas will shrug.
This post was edited on 8/1/26 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:36 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The compact US makes with its people is that there will be a possibility to achieve some form of self-sufficiency and part of that trade is a less comprehensive social welfare system than many other first world nations.
Name the country that has a lower class or middle class with a standard of living comparable to America's.
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When people feel like they’re not receiving that form of self-sufficiency but did nothing wrong - whether that is correct or not, doesn’t really matter because again politics is a hearts and minds game not a facts and reason game - then they question if the US should stop selling the 20th century conception of the American Dream and invent something new.
I don't think I'm very good at arguing against retardation because I read this part of your post and can't fathom how an educated adult can argue something that's tantamount to this: "we may be the wealthiest country the world has ever seen, and our standard of living is far better than any other country - and that's for the lower, middle and upper classes - but frick all that, enough people "feel" jealous they don't have what Elon has and would rather the whole country/every family be poorer as long as nobody has it better than someone else, so let's shite can the system that gave us a standard of living that's the envy of the world."
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:38 pm to David_DJS
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I don't disagree with much of your criticism of the GOP, but you've lost your mind if you don't understand that withholding your vote against Democrats is essentially a vote in support of national suicide.
The GOP has been in power for 14 of the past 26 years. All they care about doing is increasing spending, starting wars overseas, bringing in immigrants for cheap labor, increasing the police state and generally making conservatives look bad.
Their actions are directly responsible for the extremes like Obama and Biden. Because they ruin the reputation of the party and get people to support dumb things.
Pretending the GOP isn't more of the same isn't my bag.
This post was edited on 8/1/26 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:39 pm to tide06
It’s the moderate independents who control the power shifts in this country same as usual. And they’ve done it so consistently that it’s as if they’ve signed a written agreement about when it’s time to change hands. I suspect this election will be no different especially in this climate. We can only hope more of them are paying attention now because the majority of them will either have a viable alternative or no need to even consider a DSA candidate.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:41 pm to David_DJS
Hey man, I’m just trying to tease out a point of view. I sympathize to some degrees because I do sense there is a bit of a forked economy and I’m on the right fork at the moment. I live in a big home on decent acreage. I have a horizon on actually retiring and have been saving for it for since my 20s when I entered the workforce. My wife and I are both better off than our parents.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:54 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Hey man, I’m just trying to tease out a point of view. I sympathize to some degrees because I do sense there is a bit of a forked economy and I’m on the right fork at the moment. I live in a big home on decent acreage. I have a horizon on actually retiring and have been saving for it for since my 20s when I entered the workforce. My wife and I are both better off than our parents.
Consider that it's not a forked economy, but rather forked rhetoric. Your family's prosperity is the norm in this country, not the exception. Even the younger generations that have made bitching about their economic lot in life an art form - did you know they're wealthier (per-capita) than the hated boomers were at the same age?
It's crazy how effective the whacko Left has been in convincing even conservatives that their economic situation/prospects basically make them a victim.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 6:28 pm to David_DJS
I'm blessed, I feel like we need some tweaks but not a wholesale refactor. And to be frank, I think most of these hammer-and-sickle or rose emoji types online really want the same thing though the tweaks may be more substantial than the ones you or I would prefer. They wouldn't want the maximal version of what they profess to enjoy. Deep down they know the socialist label is role playing because they largely want policy that other capitalist nations have but we do not.
Liberalism has just been so discredited in the US that harkening back to mid-century liberalism - making some social welfare concessions and regulations to protect capitalism from its worst case scenarios - just doesn't market well. However, my feeling when you look at their agenda that actually motivates people it is more of a New Deal coalition than hammer and sickle one.
Conservatism has a similar sort of issue with the America First/MAGA types. To some degree, I find that the things these people want is not too dissimilar from the DSA types it just has some caveats/exceptions made on who gets access to the largesse. But I don't think people are ready to have the discussion that the left and right populism is largely a distinction on aesthetics but not entirely.
Liberalism has just been so discredited in the US that harkening back to mid-century liberalism - making some social welfare concessions and regulations to protect capitalism from its worst case scenarios - just doesn't market well. However, my feeling when you look at their agenda that actually motivates people it is more of a New Deal coalition than hammer and sickle one.
Conservatism has a similar sort of issue with the America First/MAGA types. To some degree, I find that the things these people want is not too dissimilar from the DSA types it just has some caveats/exceptions made on who gets access to the largesse. But I don't think people are ready to have the discussion that the left and right populism is largely a distinction on aesthetics but not entirely.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 6:40 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Trump won a second term on hammering affordability. People who turned the election didn’t give a shite about trans and bathroom politics, DEI and woke, or granola crunchy crank health shite, they cared about everything being expensive
This came straight out of a bull's arse.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 6:41 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I feel like we need some tweaks but not a wholesale refactor.
What sort of tweaks?
Posted on 8/1/26 at 6:44 pm to David_DJS
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You have swallowed hook, line and sinker the false narrative that has led millions weaker/dimmer than you to the conclusion that socialism is a legit option.
I don't think it was tricked.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 7:45 pm to David_DJS
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What sort of tweaks?
You know...the ones.
I think we need a tracked education system that separates the wheat from chaff and guides people towards the maximized workforce function relative to their ability and the economic/state needs. Academia should be a place for real genius and not serve as poor workforce development instrument. If you want to pursue education that you don't just test into for government support then you pay your own way and sink or swim.
I think we need to dramatically increase government funding for medical residency to flood the zone with more medical professionals and lower healthcare costs. Personally, I think this is more important than any Medicare for All program. Costs are what has diminished employer plans and exploding costs for government programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
I think we need mandatory public service upon graduation from high school for all US citizens. This may be unformed services but it may also be working for land management, departments of transportation, etc doing public good and creating a cultural of investment in our nation in our young adults.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 7:50 pm to tide06
Is this not also true for the Democratic coalition that doesn’t want to be Socialist? We need four parties. Left/far Left, center left, center right, Right/MAGA.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 7:58 pm to tide06
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It’s critical on the right that we begin to accept that the GOP is a coalition party. In order to maintain a winning coalition elements of the party will have to start defending things that are critical to other factions within the coalition even if it doesn’t benefit them.
maybe
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Can the establishment who is pro immigration and globalist be maintained within the GOP coalition without selling out the MAGA/AF group by the threat of actual and real socialist threatening their wealth?
no
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:04 pm to Diego Ricardo
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You know...the ones
I wouldn't have a problem with your suggestions. The one comment I'll make is about the flooding the zone with MDs - I think that would have been impactful 30-40 years ago. My guess is that provider labor (MDs, nurses, techs) as a percent of healthcare spend has dropped significantly, so priming the system with 30% more MDs (for example), while helpful, wouldn't be as impactful as we'd hope.
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