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re: The GOP Coalition Moving Forward
Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:45 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:45 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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If I get you a little apology, will you feel better? Because we want our young folk to always feel good. Maybe a participation trophy.
An apology? No.
You’ve written the perfect epitaph for those of your generation who share your perspective.
May you be remembered as you were, in your own words.
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Posted on 7/31/26 at 4:50 pm to tide06
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May you be remembered as you were, in your own words.
Melodramatic. I really don't care how I'm remembered. I really don't.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:17 pm to tide06
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The Gen Z+millennial vs Boomer divide is real.
You're still behind the curve. When you learn the "Gen Z + Millennial vs Boomer divide" is a retarded narrative dreamed up by the very whackjobs you're worried about taking over, then you might begin understanding how to deal with them. Until then you're just one of their useful idiots.
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to jump start the wealth ladder for people who aren’t currently on it yet
More usefulness for the whacko Left. You're being played.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:24 pm to David_DJS
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More usefulness for the whacko Left. You're being played.
You mean real life issues being leveraged by the socialists to win over young voters?
Yeah I agree.
The fact that many on the right claim to love Charlie Kirk and yet are so completely ignorant of what he was actually saying and warning about for years after going to half the campuses in our country is wild to me.
We can offer solutions or the left will, right now most on the right are completely indifferent at best to what drives voter sentiment with that voting block and thus are doomed to either let them stay home or outright alienate the very people needed to win general elections moving forward.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:28 pm to tide06
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We can offer solutions or the left will, right now most on the right are completely indifferent at best to what drives voter sentiment with that voting block and thus are doomed to either let them stay home or outright alienate the very people needed to win general elections moving forward.
If it makes you feel any better, many South America countries were socialist. They've flipped back. If in America the socialists try to completely change our form of representative governance, or subjugate the right to political persecution, we can fight. With regard to young people, they are just going to have to experience the ups and downs of life. I suspect socialism will be a down.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 5:34 pm to tide06
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You mean real life issues being leveraged by the socialists to win over young voters?
You're being played by accepting the narrative that somehow these "real life issues" are any different today than they have been in the past, that the economic prospects of young people today aren't as good as young people in the past. You hear it all the time, "in this economy" ... "capitalism hasn't worked for me" ... "the American dream is dead" .... "I'll never own a home".
When you accept that nonsense, you've lost the fight before it even starts. You've accepted a false premise that puts the whacko Left in a position of strength.
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We can offer solutions or the left will, right now most on the right are completely indifferent at best to what drives voter sentiment with that voting block and thus are doomed to either let them stay home or outright alienate the very people needed to win general elections moving forward.
You're skipping the part where we debate what the issues really are. You have swallowed hook, line and sinker the false narrative that has led millions weaker/dimmer than you to the conclusion that socialism is a legit option.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 1:20 pm to David_DJS
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You're being played by accepting the narrative that somehow these "real life issues" are any different today than they have been in the past, that the economic prospects of young people today aren't as good as young people in the past. You hear it all the time, "in this economy" ... "capitalism hasn't worked for me" ... "the American dream is dead" .... "I'll never own a home".
You dont believe these people have problems worth addressing.
They have to choose to vote for a coalition they believe will improve their lives.
Whether you, I or anyone else believe their problems are as they see them, if you dont grant them some of what they're asking for they will not continue to be part of the coalition required to win.
Your approach is guaranteed to hand the socialists control of federal elections.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 2:07 pm to tide06
Regarding the GOPe, they fully understand the importance of a near 50/50 split between Rs and Ds to keep the status quo. Defeating the Democrats and their socialist ideas is not on their to-do lists. Besides, the GOPe are not even Republicans. They’re wolves in sheep’s clothing. If the GOP is to grow and flourish, you have to get these guys out and if their replacements aren’t better, get them out. If we don’t pass the SAVE Act, I firmly believe it won’t matter and nothing will ever change
Posted on 8/1/26 at 2:43 pm to Nosevens
I don’t agree - this is the Left’s version of populism. This is the insanity that is the Democrat party. The Blue Dogs left long ago. The ones who are still around are pushing 80.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 2:55 pm to Wednesday
I’m not saying the blue dogs of yesterday but rather some 10-20 % of democrats are at least lucid enough to realize the reality of what DSA will accomplish in their party
Posted on 8/1/26 at 4:24 pm to tide06
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The GOP Coalition Moving Forward
I never bought the “youth right wing movement” bullshite in 2024. I think it was easy to see that was mostly a percentages thing due to youth voters not showing up. Ended up having an over representation of Do You Know Who My Dad Is? caucus.
The truth is that the GOP’s future isn’t in having numbers, it is in maximizing the representative power of any state they have control over and hoping that it can weather death attrition of boomers and Xers.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 4:40 pm to tide06
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You dont believe these people have problems worth addressing.
Not in the context it's being sold to them.
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Whether you, I or anyone else believe their problems are as they see them, if you dont grant them some of what they're asking for they will not continue to be part of the coalition required to win.
You're never going to win frick all when your first step is surrendering on the false premise that capitalism has failed Americans other than the wealthy.
Your approach is like responding to "we need to discuss ways you can stop beating your wife" like it's a legitimate discussion to be had.
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Your approach is guaranteed to hand the socialists control of federal elections.
This is retarded.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 4:50 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I did the right things
You sat back while the country was invaded and looted.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 4:58 pm to David_DJS
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You're never going to win frick all when your first step is surrendering on the false premise that capitalism has failed Americans other than the wealthy.
Sounds like proponents of capitalism need to do a better job explaining to those who think the American System is failing why it isn’t.
Politics is a game of capturing hearts and minds. If the GOP cannot make a coherent argument on how to perpetuate the American Dream in the 21st century, people will look to other options. When we’ve got more renters than ever. When the elites seemingly want to totalize rent logic across the whole economy (you will own nothing). Don’t be surprised when a political group starts talking about how to improve affordability with concrete programs that people become intrigued.
Trump won a second term on hammering affordability. People who turned the election didn’t give a shite about trans and bathroom politics, DEI and woke, or granola crunchy crank health shite, they cared about everything being expensive.
He has not made a difference two years in, arguably has made it worse in some respects. Those people feel burned.
This post was edited on 8/1/26 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:00 pm to tide06
You've got a very gloomy view of our future.
So - no 18 years of prosperity?
We're all going to die?
So - no 18 years of prosperity?
We're all going to die?
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:11 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Sounds like proponents of capitalism need to do a better job explaining to those who think the American System is failing why it isn’t.
No doubt about it. It's crazy how ignorant even capitalists are about what capitalism has meant for this country and its people.
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When we’ve got more renters than ever.
Question: why shouldn't we have more renters than ever when there are more people residing in the US than ever before, and about 10% of them aren't here legally?
This is one of those little factoids that get thrown out there like it's an indictment of the economy, but it's a nothingburger.
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Trump won a second term on hammering affordability. People who turned the election didn’t give a shite about trans and bathroom politics, DEI and woke, or granola crunchy crank health shite, they cared about everything being expensive
So shitcan capitalism? I'm not following your argument.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:19 pm to tide06
The GOP has lost my vote is all I know.
And before anyone blames me and claims "You must want democrats to win", I think you and the GOP made that choice when you started acting like them.
I will not vote for any party/candidate who promotes the police state, expanding on the patriot act stuff.
I will not vote for any party who wants to increase government spending/taxes. Don't tell me Trump decreased taxes because he did not. Inflation is the worst form of taxation.
I will not vote for any party who wants to start wars around the world. No matter if that is to support another country, or to protect the petro dollar - I will not vote for them. The only country that needs regime change is our own.
I will not vote for any party that doesn't want to bring troops home to defend our own borders first. While a solution of removing the already illegal people here is likely required at this point, it was all part of the original plan to create a problem for an existing agenda and way to increase the police state. You can dump the water over the side but you better start by fixing the hole.
I do not care how bad you think the "other" party is. It's not a valid reason to get my vote. I will vote for things, not against them.
Call me names, blame me, I don't care. It won't change my vote and you're just going to further alienate people when you attack them for being critical of how things are going.
If you want real change, I'm with you. Otherwise, you can count me out.
And before anyone blames me and claims "You must want democrats to win", I think you and the GOP made that choice when you started acting like them.
I will not vote for any party/candidate who promotes the police state, expanding on the patriot act stuff.
I will not vote for any party who wants to increase government spending/taxes. Don't tell me Trump decreased taxes because he did not. Inflation is the worst form of taxation.
I will not vote for any party who wants to start wars around the world. No matter if that is to support another country, or to protect the petro dollar - I will not vote for them. The only country that needs regime change is our own.
I will not vote for any party that doesn't want to bring troops home to defend our own borders first. While a solution of removing the already illegal people here is likely required at this point, it was all part of the original plan to create a problem for an existing agenda and way to increase the police state. You can dump the water over the side but you better start by fixing the hole.
I do not care how bad you think the "other" party is. It's not a valid reason to get my vote. I will vote for things, not against them.
Call me names, blame me, I don't care. It won't change my vote and you're just going to further alienate people when you attack them for being critical of how things are going.
If you want real change, I'm with you. Otherwise, you can count me out.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:21 pm to tide06
I am pessimistic for one reason: D.C. is far too powerful to fight. Moreso with a population that is as economically satiated as it is.
MAGA may have fought the Swamp - but it never ever even hinted at attacking the real reason the swamp exists: D.C. takes too much money.
In 1900 the feds' revenue was roughly 3% of total GDP. Even at height of New Deal it only reached 5.3%. WW2 ended that (not Boomers). It hit 20% in 2000 and averages almost 18% since end of WW2.
This year the feds take in over $5.6 trillion. Divided by the 535 members of Congress who control that money comes out to $10.5 billion per member. No one on Earth makes that kind of money in a year. No one has even made $3 billion a year - much less does so year after year after year like members of Congress.
Until you fix that issue everything is just rearranging the furniture.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:22 pm to David_DJS
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Question: why shouldn't we have more renters than ever when there are more people residing in the US than ever before, and about 10% of them aren't here legally? This is one of those little factoids that get thrown out there like it's an indictment of the economy, but it's a nothingburger.
The compact US makes with its people is that there will be a possibility to achieve some form of self-sufficiency and part of that trade is a less comprehensive social welfare system than many other first world nations.
When people feel like they’re not receiving that form of self-sufficiency but did nothing wrong - whether that is correct or not, doesn’t really matter because again politics is a hearts and minds game not a facts and reason game - then they question if the US should stop selling the 20th century conception of the American Dream and invent something new.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 5:27 pm to Boom33
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I do not care how bad you think the "other" party is. It's not a valid reason to get my vote. I will vote for things, not against them.
I don't disagree with much of your criticism of the GOP, but you've lost your mind if you don't understand that withholding your vote against Democrats is essentially a vote in support of national suicide.
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