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re: The dangers of a tariff war.... China offers a cheaper alternative
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:35 am to poncho villa
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:35 am to poncho villa
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America considers leaving Europe to defend herself. It works both ways.
Is China defending Europe in order to get this treatment?
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:36 am to GumboPot
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IDK how this will impact Tesla because they have a plant in the EU zone, Berlin.
It's not a comment directly on tariffs of Tesla, more giving China access to the EU to undercut brands like Tesla.
There's a reason Elon created the term "Peter Retardo" recently.
This tariff policy has caused a lot of the SV guys who joined Trump in 2024 to openly criticize the strategy/chaos.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not a comment directly on tariffs of Tesla, more giving China access to the EU to undercut brands like Tesla.
Oh well.
More free trade for Europe. Elon will just have to deal with it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:03 am to GumboPot
Gumbo, this is exactly what some of us have been warning about. Many posters think our demand is irreplaceable. The tariffs have given China every reason to now go to the world and sell their products in an attempt to gain market share and lessen the impact of losing some exports to us. I say some because we will still buy from them. Their pricing kills us. We simply aren’t competitive in the overall scheme of things. If they make tempting enough offers they can do some real damage and cut us out of markets in a worst case scenario. That’s the risk in this very high stakes trade war.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:36 am to FLTech
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How is it dangerous for us if we couldn’t already sell our cars in Europe or China??
And China doesn’t have a market here for their cars anyways
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:39 am to Figgy
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If they make tempting enough offers they can do some real damage and cut us out of markets in a worst case scenario. That’s the risk in this very high stakes trade war.
We were always going to have to consume less. That was settled a long time ago when we started using debt for consumption and letting the govt allocate more and more of our resources. People seem to think that all that past accumulation of debt is water under the bridge. Debt doesn't work that way, it builds up behind a dam until the dam breaks.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:40 am to imjustafatkid
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Europe tariffs USA vehicle imports to the point that our companies cannot compete there.
I don’t even know why they tariff our cars. Ever seen the narrow roads in most European countries and gas prices of 4-5 dollars per litre? You’re not going to get a significant number of Europeans to buy F-150s and Chevy Tahoes
Even our passenger sedans and crossover SUVs are large and not very fuel efficient compared to compact European cars
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:46 am to deltaland
It sucks for Europe. Let them burn. Let them destroy themselves. But I have friends in Europe (AfD) and I am really sad for them. AfD was to little to late to save them from the devil worshippers that run Europe.
Destroyed from within. I hope it is not to late. Sometime you just have to let go and let them hit rock bottom in the hopes that they can turn it around for their children and grandchildren.
Destroyed from within. I hope it is not to late. Sometime you just have to let go and let them hit rock bottom in the hopes that they can turn it around for their children and grandchildren.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:52 am to bamabonners
But yet Americans have given blood and treasure in saving their countries all the while being tariffed on goods. Hope they enjoy their freedom of association with China
Posted on 4/16/25 at 10:53 am to deltaland
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In China, the Tesla Model Y is the most sold car. It was the top-selling vehicle in 2024. In March 2025, the Model Y remained the best-selling vehicle.
I got this from google. Anyway this Tariff shite has gotten way too much attention. Its one big flame that the MSM is using to try and derail Trump for the 500th time.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:01 am to wdhalgren
Our consumption is one thing. Losing trading partners entirely is another or to a lesser scale losing market share but retaining trading partners. Everything is being renegotiated. That’s where the world finds itself right now. If countries are driven to make decisions based on pricing we’re going to find that environment challenging due to a variety of factors that China doesn’t have to contend with. The same is true with India and many others. Our biggest advantage is a large consumer market. But the world is far bigger. That’s a problem. That’s also why the rollout of the tariffs was a clusterfrick from the beginning. It should’ve been done in a more targeted approach. Lock nations in slowly and tighten the noose on China. It also would’ve given us time to build up domestic manufacturing. But we didn’t do that. Now it’s a free-for-all where money may be the deciding factor and where alliances are weakened and trust is frayed. I want us to win. But I know we made it harder than it should’ve been and introduced a lot of risk in an already difficult period.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:04 am to bamabonners
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rather than using the high tariffs the EU imposed last year.
So they tariffed Chinese evs to protect their own industry, now they are willing to kill it because orange man bad.
This is why I called the tariff bros on here retarded. They dont know shite about tariffs or trade, they just heard the tv say orange man bad again.
Looking at you Roger.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:05 am to bamabonners
Worth it to not have to listen to Europe talk about the immorality of Russia as they choose China as their partner
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:22 am to bamabonners
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Europe Considers Lifting Tariffs On Chinese Cars In Favor Of Fixed Minimum Prices
China supports Russia, which of course invaded their darling Ukraine, yet they still pay billions to Russia for natural gas, and are now wanting to open the trade door a little wider for China while shutting out the country, the US, what has propped up their darling Ukraine for years, not to mention propping up all of their economies since the end of WWII.
I love this. Same with Greenland. They can't help but destroy themselves. They have destroyed themselves from within by their welfare government policies (thanks to the US), have opened their borders to the destructive rabble of the 3rd world, and now want to invite in the largest socialist country that destroyed the US manufacturing base (thank you Bill Clinton) and which will destroy more of theirs (China will ask for more concessions than just electric vehicles) in order that they can thumb their nose at the US, Trump, and Elon Musk.
Europe will lose this game. Frankly, they have already lost it, but they are ignorant of it.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:40 am to GumboPot
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Seems like China has always offered a cheaper alternative to every American product. What am I missing here?
China doesn't have to do any R&D. They require all companies manufacturing products within their borders to turn over all proprietary manufacturing techniques and share all their patents with the CCP. All China does is provide the labor and materials. Essentially, China is sitting at the poker table raking in the winnings from most of the pots without ever making the first ante.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:45 am to bamabonners
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Europe Considers Lifting Tariffs On Chinese Cars In Favor Of Fixed Minimum Prices
Still dumb.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Elon sells a lot of Teslas in Europe. You think he'll be happy with this possible EU-China agreement to directly attack Tesla?
I agree, Elon would rather be able to sell his cars in Europe, but I doubt he joins other globalist business leaders and sues Trump over it!
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:57 am to GumboPot
quote:Chinese products are rapidly increasing in tech and quality. If you recall the 70s, we considered anything made in Japan as junky trinkets. By the mid-late-80s, Japanese products were considered premium. China is in the middle of making a similar turn.
Seems like China has always offered a cheaper alternative to every American product. What am I missing here?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:59 am to imjustafatkid
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But a lot of EU car companies have manufacturing plants in the U.S. and make cars that are not subject to import tariffs.
quote:Hmmmm.....
Like has previously been mentioned, Europe tariffs USA vehicle imports to the point that our companies cannot compete there.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:59 am to DownSouthJukin
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. They can't help but destroy themselves. They have destroyed themselves from within by their welfare government policies (thanks to the US)
Yup. The money they save by the US contributions to the military defense amd unfair tariffs/trade practices subsidizes their welfare programs. We should pull out of NATO leave Europe on their own. Let the Chinese handle their defense, see how that works out for them.
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