DownSouthJukin

What are we giving up this year?

I’ll be giving up the Rant (all boards) per usual.

I’ll also be giving up processed carbs and phone/scrolling/surfing time after work when I get home.

Adding in a daily Rosary.

And of course, no red meat on Fridays.

I’ll see y’all on the other side. :cheers:

John 1:1,14:

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

And the Word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.

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My favorite line from the film: "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!"

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Except it is a historical error.

Rommel wrote one book on warfare: "Infantry Attacks" (published 1937). He was writing "Tank Attacks" but never finished it before he committed suicide. There is a book supposedly by Rommel with the name "The Tank in Attack" when Patton is awoken in the movie, but it was a prop as the book was never published (though parts of it were in the Rommel Papers).

More likely than not, if Patton would have read any book by a German military officer on tank warfare, it would have been "Achtung-Panzer!" by Heinz Guderian which was published in 1937 and influential in tank warfare.

But all of that aside, Patton is a wonderful movie.

One of my favorite scenes is when he talks about the Roman conquerer receiving his accolades and parades: "A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."

Ole Miss 24/7/365

LSU fans are broken, and Ole Miss broke them.

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Well, the point certainly went WAY over your head.

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Not at all. I look into things like this. Half the time the "science" is highly caveated or questionable, turns out to be tainted, or even produced from whole cloth. Science, by its very nature, calls us to question its conclusions. And even when it is not caveated, questionable, tainted, or out of whole cloth, it does not undermine Christianity. Being Christian does not mean wholly shutting out any science that does not appear on its face to be compatible with Christianity. By all means, research it.

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Judeo-Christianity only works if human society started around the Bronze Age. If we find out humans existed long before, that ESPECIALLY if we find out advanced (Iron Age at best) civilizations existed longer than we once thought. The Old Testament is written around a Mediterranean, Bronze Age-early Iron Age understanding of the world. It only works within that context, and if we find out that the story of mankind on Earth is something completely different, we get into a similar scenario if aliens are ever revealed to be true: how can the story of humanity and Earth leave all of that out?

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It appears that your argument is from the perspective of someone with an all or nothing approach to the Bible: it is either 100% literally written and the truth, or it is 100% false. Sola scripture or nothing. That is not my perspective. I don't believe that the timelines in the Bible are 100% literal, and I am not called to interpret them as such. Even Pope John Paul II voiced support for reason and science. I think that is a reasonable view. And it is reasonable to question the "science," is it not?

And certainly if someone would like, they can question Christianity. Quite frankly, if they have questions, then they should, perhaps as the poster has. There is 2,000 years of doctrinal research to rely upon to gain answers (for instance, as to the question of where righteous souls went before Jesus came as Savior). However, at some point, I would agree that there are no answers other than by faith.

For example, in my reference to the Book of John, it is simply beyond the realm of human scientific belief and reason that the crowds would have to eat Christ's body and drink His blood to receive eternity. Transubstantiation is beyond the realm of scientific explanation. As was the virgin birth. As is the Trinity. As are Christ's miracles. As was Christ's ascension into Heaven. If you can't believe beyond the realm of earthly reason, then being a Christian is a difficult, if not impossible, calling. That is where faith comes in.

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Here we see the convergence of Evangelical Christianity and mainstream science.

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Takes one line. Fails to see the rest. And gets the religion wrong, to boot.

If the poster is questioning his faith based on the “science,” I simply asked if he’d questioned the “science.” It’s an entirely reasonable position. But not for one who blindly accepts the “science,” like you, I suppose.

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That’s the only thing I struggle with as a Christian is we are finding more and more evidence there were humans hundreds of thousands of years ago, including a more advanced civilization that started over

So Jesus just came in some random year hundreds of thousands of years after them? Where did those people go when they died? What about their savior they worshiped we’ve never heard about ?

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1. Do you really trust all of this “science”? Have you really dug in and researched it?

2. The Great Flood. And if you think there is evidence of more advanced societies prior to the Great Flood, see question # 1.

3. Jesus was and is the only Savior. Those souls that were not yet subject to His saving went to the “hell” referenced in the Apostle’s Creed (“He descended into hell”) in order to await the salvation of Jesus. This is not Satan’s “hell,” but a place for souls to await the coming of Christ. It may be called “hades” and is referenced in scripture as “Abraham’s bosom.” Jesus went there after his death for 3 days (Jewish counting custom) and then Jesus ascended into Heaven, followed by all of the righteous souls awaiting salvation.

This is doctrinal across all Christian faiths as far as I can tell. This doctrine is not new, but has been studied since the beginnings of Christianity. Your church should be teaching it.

I’ll add this. In John, Ch. 6, some of the crowds depart from Jesus when he proclaims that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood in order to fully receive Him and gain eternal life. The crowds could not accept this teaching and did not believe it. Jesus turned to his disciples and asked if they too would depart from him. Peter said, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.”

When the present world presents problems that unsettle you in your Christian faith, think about the faith that must have had been had by those early disciples, and especially the Apostles. Not only during Christ’s mission on earth, but after Christ’s ascension. Christians were ridiculed. Christians were persecuted. Christians were hunted. Christians were tortured. Christians were martyred. All because of their unshakeable belief in Jesus Christ. Those are the Christians that we are called to be. Don’t let earthly questions and problems shake your faith. You are bound to those earthly problems if you do. We are called to become heavenly. Being bound to earthly questions, that likely already have doctrinal answers, will not get you there.

Not if he wants to play college football.

Which one comes with full size chrome truck nuts? There’s your answer.

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Sympathy doesn’t win championships

Ok. Let me know when you win one...

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Ole Miss is a lot closer than USCjr.

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You're kind of missing the point. After Kiffin screwed you guys over, you had the hearts and sympathy of all of CFB. Now, between Golding tampering and the Chambliss decision ya'll have managed to piss all of that away.

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Sympathy doesn’t win championships, Lonnie.

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Went to youth group with the kid last night. I'm out of the SEC footprint but everyone knows I'm a SEC fan. All of the CFB fans I talked to last night just thought the whole thing was ridiculous. Nothing but a dog and pony show.

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