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re: The chance of getting Iran to agree to any kind of acceptable peace deal is very low.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:05 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:05 pm to prplhze2000
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Doesn't matter what deal is as Iran will break it as it has every other agreement
Because this is like any other agreement that the US has been a part of with Iran?
We’ve killed their Ayatollah and everyone in his circle of leadership, killed their most senior military officers, we control their air space, we’ve decimated their navy to the point of having our military ships move freely in the strait of Hormuz to find mines that they (Iran) lost, etc etc etc.
This is nothing like anything Iran has faced.
Where the frick do you people come from
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:08 pm to Rekrul
As I posted in main. Screw the strait. Tell everyone to lay pipe to bypass it.We can even sell them the pipe and fittings. In the meantime the Gulf of America is open for business and ships are streaming to us. We could blockade the hell out of Iran.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:28 pm to LemmyLives
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This is why the IRGC needs to be killed, lock stock and barrel.
So in that scenario how do we handle the Iranians shutting down oil shipments from the ME while we hunt down their leadership systematically for months?
It’s not a question of whether we want to do that, it’s a question of whether we’re willing to pay the cost that it would require to do that against a major military power in a nation of 90M who can shoot missiles into one of the most vulnerable shipping passages in the world.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:28 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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I have the Sky News app downloaded on my Roku device. I was watching it and a reporter was in Pakistan. He said he had talked to some of the Iranian delegation and they feel like they have won the war.
This reporter said they gave 2 reasons for feeling like they have won. The first was because they control the Strait of Hormuz. The other reason was because Americans are so divided on the war that they feel like that the pressure on Trump will keep him from starting the military action up again.
I totally understand the IRGC perspective here. It's certainly not a bad bet to bet on the USA lacking the resolve to prosecute this war any further. The War Powers Act limits Trump's options. The Democrats want Trump to lose this war. The IRGC knows this.
I do not expect the IRGC to make any deal with the USA, as they "run the clock out" on Trump's time to make war.
I do not expect at all that the USA will be able to topple the Islamic Iranian Regime.
I do not expect that the USA will be able to clear the Strait of Hormuz without further violent military action.
I am absolutely sure that the Democrats will work to limit Trump's time to prosecute this war.
I am absolutely sure that the Dems will profit politically should they be able to help Islamic Iran to win this war.
The USA's track record in winning wars is spotty. The USA lacks the domestic political unity required to crush the IRGC and topple the regime.
I refuse to say that the war is "Won" or "Lost", regardless of the outcome. I think it best to say that this war is on-going now, it started 47 years ago, and it will continue to be on-going, whether the USA decides to fight this war or not - The IRGC will most certainly continue to prosecute this war, far into the future.
The USA has kicked over the hornet's nest. The USA can try to walk away and pretend that things are over or settled, but, that's not the case, so long as the Islamic Iranian Regime remains in power.
My guess is that POTUS Trump declares victory and walks away, since he will be politically unable to take further violent military action against Iran.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:43 pm to OchoDedos
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Dealing with Religious zealots ,…..they have blood lust to kill as many infidels as possible. You can’t negotiate with that kind of barbaric mindset.
This is a perfect description of Israel. Well done.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:46 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Just take full control over the Strait and starve them into submission
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:00 pm to tide06
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So in that scenario how do we handle the Iranians shutting down oil shipments from the ME while we hunt down their leadership systematically for months
That becomes a problem for China and India to solve, not us. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt the US with higher bbl prices while they figure themselves out, but that's not where our oil is coming from.
The pipeline from KSA/Kuwait to the Med (through Israel) can be built fast, as ME governments typically don't give a shite about tribal lands and environmental approvals. Cause it's desert (the empty quarter).
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:13 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Oh there will be high gas prices again in the future once this settles down. Iran will regroup and now knows they have a permanent trump card with shutting down the strait.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:18 pm to Burt Reynolds
No, exactly like Iran with a nuclear weapon can never be allowed and the IRGC must be destroyed.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:21 pm to JoeyP239
To do that then we would need to put boots on the ground. I did a very quick search on some of the Islands in the Strait of Hormuz the other night. When I did the search I got a AI generated quick little summary from Yahoo about some of these Islands.
It said that Iran has a strategy called The Greater Arch Strategy or Arch Defense or something like that. Basically it is 7 Islands in the Strait that Iran uses to control the Strait. I imagine that at a bare minimum to open the Strait up for good then we would need to go in and take those Islands. Even if we take all of those Islands the United States is still left with the problem of drones being launched from anywhere within range from Iran itself. Plus you could have a stray boat or even a person along the coastline of Iran firing some kind of missile in the shipping lanes. It’s a thorny problem unlocking the Strait of Hormuz. Until the Navy can get a few more assets in place that are currently on the way then I doubt we will see a serious attempt at doing it.
It said that Iran has a strategy called The Greater Arch Strategy or Arch Defense or something like that. Basically it is 7 Islands in the Strait that Iran uses to control the Strait. I imagine that at a bare minimum to open the Strait up for good then we would need to go in and take those Islands. Even if we take all of those Islands the United States is still left with the problem of drones being launched from anywhere within range from Iran itself. Plus you could have a stray boat or even a person along the coastline of Iran firing some kind of missile in the shipping lanes. It’s a thorny problem unlocking the Strait of Hormuz. Until the Navy can get a few more assets in place that are currently on the way then I doubt we will see a serious attempt at doing it.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:50 pm to Rekrul
They killed 240 of our Marines. They held our people hostage for over a year in rubber noses in it. They took the bodies of those killed in desert one and displayed them for the whole world to see. They killed over 600 of our troops in Iraq. They armed funded and trained others who killed our troops in Iraq. They directed and funded October 7th. They've promised to get nuclear weapons and attack us and our allies with them.
Screw you
Screw you
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:54 pm to Champagne
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My guess is that POTUS Trump declares victory and walks away, since he will be politically unable to take further violent military action against Iran.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:55 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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To do that then we would need to put boots on the ground. I did a very quick search on some of the Islands in the Strait of Hormuz the other night. When I did the search I got a AI generated quick little summary from Yahoo about some of these Islands. It said that Iran has a strategy called The Greater Arch Strategy or Arch Defense or something like that. Basically it is 7 Islands in the Strait that Iran uses to control the Strait. I imagine that at a bare minimum to open the Strait up for good then we would need to go in and take those Islands. Even if we take all of those Islands the United States is still left with the problem of drones being launched from anywhere within range from Iran itself. Plus you could have a stray boat or even a person along the coastline of Iran firing some kind of missile in the shipping lanes. It’s a thorny problem unlocking the Strait of Hormuz. Until the Navy can get a few more assets in place that are currently on the way then I doubt we will see a serious attempt at doing it.
It’s not politically possible to put “boots on the ground” again. It has become politically taboo, no matter how necessary.
Trump isn’t doing it and the Democrat who wins in 2028 or JD Vance isn’t doing it either. Everyone is scared shitless of becoming George Bush 2.0
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:58 pm to Champagne
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The USA has kicked over the hornet's nest. The USA can try to walk away and pretend that things are over or settled, but, that's not the case, so long as the Islamic Iranian Regime remains in power. My guess is that POTUS Trump declares victory and walks away, since he will be politically unable to take further violent military action against Iran.
Correct. The bombing doesn’t change the calculus in the long run. Collapse of the IRGC was the only way and that’s not happening with an aerial bombing campaign.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:00 am to RollingwiththeTide
The chance of Trump making up some bullshite to keep the markets from crashing Monday is way higher
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:16 am to Robcrzy
I don’t see why we can’t just take out their power temporarily. We don’t have to destroy their power generation capability but possibly just their transmission line or a few substations etc. shite gets real real quick when the power goes out!
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:50 am to RollingwiththeTide
Follow the “negotiators” and kill them on camera. Hopefully there were several.
Send a message.
Send a message.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 12:53 am
Posted on 4/12/26 at 1:26 am to RollingwiththeTide
I would say the chance is zero.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:32 am to RollingwiththeTide
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The best way to make sure these negotiations are fruitful and get the best outcome is to try to get the stuff I mentioned. If our negotiators can’t then get up and walk out.
what other major agreements have you negotiated in your long career of having no occupation according to your profile, he11 son you don't even live anywhere. you'll excuse me but i'll need a bit more context to determine whether or not to take you seriously.
thank you for your attention to this matter.
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