RollingwiththeTide

I agree this halfway shite ain’t working. I’m right there with you. We should drop the hammer if we were going to do this at all and play to win this time.

Iran is closer to the Imperial Japanese than Russia, China, or the rest. Self preservation doesn’t matter to Iran just like it didn’t matter to the Japanese during WW2. Look at what it took to make them give up. 2 nuclear strikes. And some in the Japanese leadership still wanted to fight but the Emperor surrendered anyway. Fanatics and radicals that treat life so frivolously because they think God or the Emperor wants them to die for the cause is insane. You can’t talk to insane people like that. We can’t reason with people that treat mass murder as a tactic to get whatever they want.

No we are in Iran because we have been negotiating with them for decades and haven’t even sniffed anything resembling a legit deal with them. Obama tried to buy them off but they still cheated. If they won’t accept the carrot then at some point you have to beat them with the stick. I think 20 or 30 years of negotiations are enough to prove that a deal is not possible so we are left with the choice of the stick.

It’s not just about the nukes. They have been responsible for killing a hell of a lot of American Citizens including our military personnel over the years. We can keep letting the body count accumulate over time until finally we look around and say enough of that or we can just deal with this problem. Letting them nibble at the edges until they can kill us in one mass attack is not a strategy worth a damn. It sucks but sometimes you just have to put your foot down and say that’s enough. It may not be what anyone wants but it’s the only choice we have.

It’s not hard to understand. It was the same way before WW1 and WW2. No foreign wars! We have no business fighting a war on the European Continent! So we stayed out doing absolutely nothing. Until we couldn’t stay out anymore. WW2 is probably the best example. People howled if someone mentioned getting involved in the war. Then by the and of the afternoon on Dec 7 1941 everyone was yelling Get them!! Then we finally have to send our best of us over to fight and slog over all the territory Europe managed to lose. Had we just stood up at the beginning I often wonder how many lives could be saved by not allowing the enemy in the Pacific and Europe to take all that territory we had to fight back across. This Iran fight is no different. We can keep letting Iran kill a few here and there and let the numbers pile up or we can just go do this and get it over with. It sucks and I hate it but you can’t talk to these people anymore than you could talk to Tojo or Hitler.

This is such a stupid comment. Mankind has been killing each other in war for centuries. Human beings are damn good at it. As long as humans exist free will exists. That means there will be times good people will have to go to war to stop evil people. If you wanna disagree with war fine. I agree war sucks and it’s the worst way mankind has to settle disputes. But telling someone to go join the frontlines is a dumb as hell statement. This is not the first time Americans will have to go into combat and it will not even come close to being the last time. There is the way the world should be and then there is the way it really is. Until the human race learns that killing each other is a poor way to settle anything then we will have the need for a military. Simple as that.

Well in fairness to him everyone from CNN is pretty much insufferable.

All they have to do is start a Go Fund Me take up donations and either fly them somewhere they can get constant treatment or bring them medicine. We can’t be talking about very many people at all. The place can’t be San Francisco or the Key West.

Dude the reason they are one of the most anti globalist governments on earth is because the are the most anti civilization government on earth. They are radical Islamic extremists that have not progressed 1 day since the 3rd Crusade took place. They view the world the same way Muslims did in the days of Saladin. Sure they disagree with each other over the Sunni vs Shia beliefs. That’s a disagreement among Muslims though. They all agree on killing the infedel.

I would prefer they add more employees so I don’t have to walk all over the damn store hunting what I need in that maze. Every time I need to find a person that works there it seems like they vanish into thin air like some apparition.

We’ll talk was around a week or two ago the Hegseth, Rubio, and someone else was talking to Trump trying to get him to finish this already. He just won’t do it though. It’s been clear for a pretty long time now you will never get any kind of a legit deal out of this crew they are negotiating with currently. Time to remove a few more layers and see if they are smarter.

Rubio gives the R’s way more of a chance at holding the Trump coalition together in 28. Rubio also gives the R’s the best chance at picking up some Dems that might be red pilled between now and then.

One thing being overlooked on Vance right now is his candidacy could fall apart before it really ever begins over this Iran action. He has been lead negotiator on the US side. There was a point or two Vance let Iran slide by him. He can’t keep that up. If anything he agrees to in some deal blows up later then he is the cat responsible for it and he will suffer the political consequences.