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re: The chance of getting Iran to agree to any kind of acceptable peace deal is very low.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:38 am to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:38 am to RollingwiththeTide
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The chance of getting Iran to agree to any kind of acceptable peace deal is very low.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:50 pm
RollingwiththeTide
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Any deal worth the paper it’s written on would need to be conditions based and limit or ban all together certain types of weapons that Iran can build or buy. Plus they would need to submit to any kind of snap inspections to make sure they are in compliance along with snap back measures on the sanctions should they fail to comply or refuse any inspections. Iran will never agree to any of that.
They are akin to stage 4 cancer.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 8:11 am to LemmyLives
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That becomes a problem for China and India to solve, not us. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt the US with higher bbl prices while they figure themselves out, but that's not where our oil is coming from.
Global energy demand is static. If the world needs say 100M barrels of oil to maintain its economic output and transportation requirements and suddenly 30M barrels of oil are unavailable we do not have 30M barrels of excess capacity to provide until Venezuela comes online along with the refineries required to process their heavy crude. That will take years.
So while it’s superficially true that we hypothetically have enough oil to supply ourselves if we cut everyone else off, doing so will 100% cause our allies globally to go without large percentages of their oil needs which will trigger a global economic crisis unseen since at least the 70s.
It will also cause a famine because a large percentage of the world’s fertilizer is produced and transits that strait.
I’ll also point out that when Iran responds to what for them is an energy existential religious threat to them by blowing up water desalination plants, power plants and of course oil refineries, port equipment, oil fields and pipelines the local production of oil won’t just go offline, you will be bringing actual death to the civilian populations of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Jordan all of whom are our major trading partners and allied nations.
There’s also the matter of the reported 80-100k US casualties that the Pentagon projects it would cost to do a ground invasion of Iran which is a nation with 90M people located in cities and mountainous terrain that resembles Afghanistan.
So in order to accomplish what the neocons are demanding which is regime change the trade would look like this:
We Get:
-regime change in Iran (this didn’t result in a friendly government in Iraq and took a decade btw)
We Trade:
-Economic recession or depression
-midterms flip government to the DNC ending Trumps term
-famine in Africa and India
-60k-100k US casualties
-$3T+ in spending
-destruction economically and possible revolution in SA, UAE, etc when their oil production and water supply goes offline for months to years
Is there any rational person who would risk all of that to remove some mullahs in Iran who don’t or at least didn’t pose a threat to anyone over there but Israel (who btw promised this would be easy to get us involved and is sabotaging peace deals openly)?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 8:32 am to dickkellog
What a totally stupid arse comment. This comment is astoundingly stupid. How have you managed to live as long as you have being this damn dumb?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:30 pm to Robcrzy
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The chance of Trump making up some bullshite to keep the markets from crashing Monday is way higher
The markets have not crashed yet. In fact they are up.
Did Trump make up "some bullshite" that I missed?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 12:38 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Making a deal with Iran is complicated right now because their leadership is splintered. And that was by their own design. When the top leadership got blown up, leadership then split over different parts of the country. Our guys could be talking with them and have a deal and there may be 4 other Iranians acting in a leadership position in other parts of the country that say, hell no. It's a big mess. We can either just leave and let them try to find a way to build back, or we have to go in there and decimate them. Neither option is good and we are going to end up probably worse than before this crap began.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 12:40 pm
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