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re: The Boyfriend should be charged for the death of Taylor
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:59 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 9/23/20 at 9:59 pm to Jcorye1
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That's not how this works lol. Hell even if they did, that doesn't mean the people inside heard it too.
True. But in this case he was already prepared when the door came down.
So he new.
Again, you want to argue against no knock... great. We can start a thread. I willing to bet 95% of this board would agree on 75% of the points.
That does not change the fact that police, for months, new drugs were being ran through there. There is a whole investigation that led to that warrant.
That does not change the fact that they announced, and the guy had enough time to get out of bed, get his 9mm, get into a potion to see the door and in a stance with the 9mm aimed.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:00 pm to Jjdoc
Completely disagree. Walker himself says he thought it was Glover breaking in. It was reasonable to assume a home invasion by her former boyfriend. I think he is the most innocent of everyone involved.
She is looking more and more suspect the more I delve into this.
Jamarcus Glover Warrant - Tatum Report
She is looking more and more suspect the more I delve into this.
Jamarcus Glover Warrant - Tatum Report
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:03 pm to Jjdoc
It’s not even contested information that Walker heard the knock. That is in his official police statement.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for anyone to take up a defensive position if someone is banging on your door late at night. My mom actually used to straight up call the cops when that would happen where I grew up.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for anyone to take up a defensive position if someone is banging on your door late at night. My mom actually used to straight up call the cops when that would happen where I grew up.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:07 pm to SammyTiger
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Witnesses is incorrect.
Correct.
Only 1 other witness claims to have heard the police announce — that witness was the one mentioned in the AG’s report. Other neighbors have claimed they didn't hear the officers announce.
Walker has also claimed he did not hear the announcement. Walker also claimed that Taylor feared it was her ex boyfriend.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:08 pm to Jcorye1
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One neighbor said that, multiple said they didn't hear anything.
And both could technically be correct if the Police announced when Walker shot at them as they broke down door.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:08 pm to LSULaw2009
Yeah. I think that’s a distinct possibility.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:10 pm to Jjdoc
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That does not change the fact that police, for months, new drugs were being ran through there. There is a whole investigation that led to that warrant.
A warrant does not mean the cops knew shite. It means they got a judge to sign off that they'd suspected drugs based on other evidence.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:27 pm to EA6B
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He shot a unidentified intruder that broke into the apartment where he was sleeping, that it turned it to be a cop after the fact is not relevant. The cops are the ones that put everyone in the apt at risk.
The cops were legally there serving a lawful purpose as documented by a judge.
The problem is as you admit - he shot without identifying an imminent risk.. A lawful gun owner does not do this. A reasonable person when detecting a possible intrusion takes cover from a position of concealment and assesses the threat before shooting.
The reason you have to assess is because what you perceive as a threat could be a drunk neighbor, law enforcement (especially if you hang with thugs), or someone attempting to flee a dangerous threat.
If you just shoot blindly through a door, you are a certified fearful and panicky pussy that has no business legally possessing a weapon. If you care about your loved ones, you don’t just shoot without identifying a threat.
Same goes for the cop that shot through a window without identifying a target.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:28 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Walker also claimed that Taylor feared it was her ex boyfriend.
Wasn't he in Jail?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:30 pm to Jjdoc
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That does not change the fact that police, for months, new drugs were being ran through there. There is a whole investigation that led to that warrant.
You’ve repeated this twice despite the fact no drugs were found at the residence and no evidence has emerged that Taylor ever used her apartment as a drug or trap house.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:33 pm to NashvilleTider
May be a coincidence but let's not pretend cops having killed innocent people due to foolish decision making or poor training. I know a guy whose nephew was killed b/c the cop was chasing some other guy that looked similar to nephew. The cop thought this was the movies.
Sean Bell case was tragic as well.
Sean Bell case was tragic as well.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:39 pm to SammyTiger
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Man was defending his apartment against an unknown assailant with a legal gun.
You hate the second amendment or something?
This is where it’s fun watching folks get twisted trying to defend self defense, the blue, and 2a.
This case really tests all 3.
Bottom line is the guy was innocent until proven guilty. He has that right. Which means he also has the right of 2a and to defend his home.
How the hell cops can bust in late night like that violated basic freedoms. What if they had the wrong address? Or bedroom? This shite isn’t supposed to happen.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:46 pm to BobBoucher
Everyone knows that he shot through the damn door right? This is a fact. Forensics has the proof that a bullet traveled through the door and struck an officer in the leg, which prompted return fire from all officers on scene. Why would you shoot through a closed door if you didn't hear someone announcing on the other side?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:50 pm to oklahogjr
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A warrant does not mean the cops knew shite. It means they got a judge to sign off that they'd suspected drugs based on other evidence.
In this case, they actually have phone conversations and more. Like cameras in place. Tracking devices.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:53 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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You’ve repeated this twice despite the fact no drugs were found at the residence and no evidence has emerged that Taylor ever used her apartment as a drug or trap house.
Yeah...
1- You don't have to store drugs at the home.
2- You need to read the report
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:55 pm to South Tiger
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Everyone knows that he shot through the damn door right? This is a fact
This shouldn’t be a surprise when busting in to someone’s house in the middle of the night.
You’re assuming cops announced. You’re assuming he heard them clearly and intentionally fired on a cop. The problem is that he’s dead and it can’t be proven he knowingly fired on a cop. That’s problematic.
This scenario invites way too much uncertainty and should not happen.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 10:57 pm to Jjdoc
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Wasn't he in Jail?
Yes. Maybe Taylor thought Glover had posted bail. Or maybe she slept with lots of boyfriends with questionable character. She certainly appeared challenged in that regard.
Look, I readily grant that the victims caught up in these incidents rarely are pristine and unsullied members of the church choir. Breonna Taylor’s life would no doubt have had a better ending if she had not knowingly dated a drug dealer. And I think the narrative that Breonna Taylor was targeted simply because she was black is false and destructive.
Yet getting shot at while busting into a home in the dark of the night should be the baseline expectation of any such raid. That is why these types of raids unnecessarily put innocent civilians and LEO at risk and in harm’s way. Rand Paul’s effort to end no-knock raids should be a cause that anyone concerned about Constitutional due process should support.
Rand Paul Introduces ‘Justice For Breonna Taylor Act’ Banning No-Knock Warrants.....
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:03 pm to Jjdoc
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Yeah...
1- You don't have to store drugs at the home.
2- You need to read the report
I read the report.
Again, no evidence has emerged demonstrating that Taylor’s residence was being used as a drug house or as a money house as stated in the warrant. And no drugs, drug paraphernalia or illicit cash was found at Taylor’s apartment the night of the raid.
The raid was based on guilt by association.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:05 pm to Jjdoc
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Yeah...
1- You don't have to store drugs at the home.
So what was the warrant for then?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 11:06 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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The raid was based on guilt by association.
guess what? if a felon with a warrant commonly stays at your house, and surveillance says so, you will be getting a visit. welcome to the dope game dumb frick. she knew the risks. probably talked shite about "frick the police" probably knew she was being watched, and kept at it because that is just the facts of life in that game. you do it knowing all of this. yet you keep doing it.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 11:07 pm
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